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i was against aces and i knew it but just couldnt fold. sounds familiar? lol

What's his 3b from BB and his f24b?
66 and any 4x hand should never be here and without some kind of dynamic I'm assuming I'm getting 5b pre by AA.
Basically any over pair can take this line and he only has like $28 behind so get the money in.

3b from BB vs EP open is in general value heavy. F4B is useless imo. we need thousands of hands to make this a reasonable stat.

3b from BB vs EP open is in general value heavy. F4B is useless imo. we need thousands of hands to make this a reasonable stat.

Of course a small sample is nowhere near as credible as the alternative, but if you've got a couple instances where you've 4b him thus far we can get a rough feel for what type of villain he's shaping up to be in these spots.

I agree I would not expect to see AA here, rather a hand with a 4 in it. I think 66 calls the flop and lets you barrell.

this statement begs: why?

Pretty much no 4x and 6x in his range, given his preflop play, and easily possible that he is overplaying overpairs on this flop, just get it in.
If he has aces, its a cooler.

is it better from Villains point of view to flat the 4bet oop with AA instead of making a 5bet what about if Villain was ip?
Heros range is pretty polarized to KK+ or bluffs with the stacksizes. Hero would probably flat all smaller pairs and playable hands against the 3bet ip . so if Villain 5bets Hero will just fold a lot. (does this make a good spot so 5bet bluff small for Villain?)
Villain has two aces so its not that likely that the flop will come A high but still there are some flops he might not be able to stack KK and if he 5bets pre he will very likely get the money in against KK.
and not sure if Hero will give Villain a lot of action post flop unless he hits 2pair+ and ofc if he has KK which would stack of pre anyway.

Pretty much no 4x and 6x in his range, given his preflop play,

Another statement that begs: why?
There might be no 4x 6x in your range when you call OOP. I've seen players calling 4b and even 5b when deep with hands like 46s, 57s. 66. I remember them vividly because getting stacked for 250+ bb with my AA when 25% off stack went in preflop was every time a memorable experience. But these type of players do stupid things in 4b pots if they don't flop nuts, so I'm never folding here.

Another statement that begs: why?

It is really difficult for him to 3bet 4x or 6x, let alone flat call a 4bet with those type of hands. If you assume that an opponent is crazy enough to take a line like that with 4x/6x, it is pretty safe to assume that he will also do some really stupid plays later on which makes me far less inclined to hero fold KK here.

It is really difficult for him to 3bet 4x or 6x, let alone flat call a 4bet with those type of hands. If you assume that an opponent is crazy enough to take a line like that with 4x/6x(...)

BB: $78.49 - VPIP: 29, PFR: 22, 3B: 12, AF: 5.0, Hands: 138
He is definitely v.aggro and loose. Since players at these stakes trying to play LAG often end up being spewy and after they 3b a lot they start convincing themselves that every 4b is someone playing back, plus they believe they can outplay anybody once they get deep... yes I believe he could show up with ATC.

I agree I would not expect to see AA here, rather a hand with a 4 in it. I think 66 calls the flop and lets you barrell.

this statement begs: why?

I suppose because it's my experience that often when I have a big pair the flop comes paired and loose fish has called 3 bet/4 bet with speculative s connectors and hit trips.

I am willing to concede that both outcomes are equally likley and that my perception is probably based on the way that getting stacked with busted aces and kings hands seem to stick in your mind.

I would say that given villain flats the 4 bet the chances of him having AA are slightly reduced.

I think it is bad play to flat the 4 bet with Aces as you chances of stacking AK, AQ hands and lower pairs is really minimised.

i guess my point is that 4x=66 here so i'd wonder why anyone would play one differently than the other

i guess my point is that 4x=66 here so i'd wonder why anyone would play one differently than the other

I'm pretty sure that 4x=66=AA in this spot.

I'm pretty sure that 4x=66=AA in this spot.

right

he said something about people c/c 66 but c/r 4x, which is why i only mentioned those hands

I only read about 4x, 66 and AA. Is there anyone folding flop?