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nienie23

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1- CO is on the aggro side with VPIP 59 PFR 49, 219 hands
2- BTN seems nitty, it's his second hand after beeing at the table for 37 hands
3- SB 82 hands, VPIP 22 PFR 15, looked on the taggish side but calling or completing SB a bit too much, maybe suited crap.


Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1754835
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UTG: $17.15
MP: $10.33
CO: $13.66
BTN: $19.76
SB: $10.00
Hero (BB): $10.15

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with T Club A Club
2 folds, CO raises to $0.20, BTN calls $0.20, SB calls $0.15, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.80) T Diamond 9 Heart 8 Club (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.50, CO calls $0.50, BTN folds, SB folds
I decided to bet into the raiser because chances were I had the best hand but did not want to give a free card or call a bet. No flush draw, I was hoping to get rid of SB and the nit if he is fit or fold

Turn: ($1.80) 9 Club (2 players)
Hero bets $1, CO calls $1
Nothing has changed. Wonder what he calls me with, AT, KT, QT, JT, AJ, KJ, QJ (very often aggros become passive with a monster), AA???, KK, QQ, JJ, or some kind of lucky T9s, T8s, 98s... Any comments on his range?

River: ($3.80) K Heart (2 players)
[color=red]Hero ...... got rivered? lol

Posted about 1 year ago

huntse

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1- CO is on the aggro side with VPIP 59 PFR 49, 219 hands



This isn't on the aggro side, this is psycho maniac territory. Assuming he is at all active postflop he's got to be the money at the table.

Preflop, did you consider squeezing to isolate the CO (or folding)? Not saying I would in this particular spot, just if you're articulating your thought process for the other streets this seems an omission.

This is not a great flop for you and given the action preflop, fourways I would actually say it's pretty unlikely that one pair is the best hand. At the very least anyone continuing will have a strong draw to beat you. All the two pairs and sets and both ends of the straights are definitely possible at this stage, and certainly JT, QT, KT type hands for the combo draw are in there two.

Here's how our equity is looking:

ProPokerTools Odds Oracle Results (2.05 Professional)
Holdem, Generic syntax
Board - Td9h8c
PLAYER_1 AcTc
PLAYER_2 49%
PLAYER_3 JJ-77,(KQ,QJ,JT,T9)Schtumx
PLAYER_4 TT-77,(KQ,QJ,JT,T9,A*,K[J-8])Schtumx
600000 trials (randomized)


All-in Equity
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Quite a lot has changed on the turn actually. If he had a second pair he's now ahead of you, and T9, 98 have boated up and have you drawing stone dead.

I have to go out now, but I'm going to do a bit more work on this hand later and post again.

Posted about 1 year ago

huntse

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In case you're wondering, in that sim I have the nit as player 3, calling with strong scs and middle pairs, the sb (player 4)calling with a few suited aces and kings in addition to that range. The only person whose preflop range you're ahead of on that flop is the co (player 2).

Posted about 1 year ago

Stampfer

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Im not a fan of calling pre if you flop top pair your still not in great shape 4 ways, I would Fold/raise. CO is mental plus hes in the CO which makes his range even wider, I think on that flop you very unlikely to be ahead with TPTK.

Posted about 1 year ago

illsabio

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ATs on the BB is a fold pre flop imo. First of all you are OOP and secondly you aint the initial raiser. You got yourself in a difficult spot, i would try to let the hand go and find another better spot instead of getting in tricky spots against especially these maniacs.

Posted about 1 year ago

Estist

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I think pre-flop make it $1 to go you don't really want to play ATs like that multi-way and you want to isolate the CO. Flop and turn I think are fine. River I'd go for a thin value bet, expect him with a good portion of worse hands. I'd fold to a raise because he's not likely to ever go out on a bluff in that spot on that board Smile Check-calling I'm not sure if he's going to bet worse, but I'm pretty sure he's calling too loosely so that's why I prefer betting.

Posted about 1 year ago

Apex93

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Pre: I would prefer 3betting to 1.4-1.6 for value, this gives us the iniative and it reduces their positional advantage.

Flop: You should be betting closer to the pot, their calling ranges don't change too much and we want max value from weaker made hands + draws.

Turn: as Huntse said the 9 changes the board a bit, but we still have TPTK with nut FD so I would continue betting big.

River: Probably checking the river, all draws missed and the K makes it tougher for him to call with any marginal made hands. And if he bets we are probably doing good by folding unless we have some kind of a bet sizing tell.

Overall you should have just started to build the pot bigger earlier and then this would have been pretty easy to play.

Posted about 1 year ago




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