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So, I know I'm terribad at poker and now stuck in 5nl zoom. Trying to make adjustments, get some reads, and become a nit but it's tough. I was advised to post some hands to see if I am getting some major basic things wrong. I'll start where I get stacked I think.

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1747864
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KovalenkoSem: $3.59
wuma-wuma: $9.65
Here2Chill: $6.05
Wintitom: $4.47
PaleTokio: $8.81
Hero (): $6.80

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is with A of K of
Wintitom raises to $0.20, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.64, KovalenkoSem calls $0.64, 2 folds, Wintitom calls $0.44

Flop: ($1.99) J of K of 2 of (3 players)
Wintitom checks, Hero bets $1.24, KovalenkoSem folds, Wintitom calls $1.24

Turn: ($4.47) 3 of hearts (2 players)
Wintitom checks, Hero bets $4.92 all in, Wintitom calls $2.59 all in

River: ($9.65) 6 of hearts (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $9.65
Wintitom shows K of K of (three of a kind, Kings)
Hero shows A of K of (a pair of Kings)
Wintitom wins $9.25
(Rake: $0.40)

Only a few hands on villain......

Note made likes to trap preflop and postflop - called 3b oop with a caller of my 3b.

http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1747864

Usually if flat pre here but as played I think getting it in is fine

A spew based on using the HUD too much - villain already had a 10% 3bet after 20 or 30 hands, I'm projecting a squeeze because I like to squeeze a lot (as people fold lots to squeezes autoprofit that' sone thing I can get right).

I could have stopped a second and 4b small and fold to shove, or call as I'm in pos. I just thought - got to be a light squeeze so I'm shoving.

Ugh converter no use position aliases


Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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xxxxxxx: $5.14
xxxxxxxxxxs: $5.37
xxxxxxxx: $5.00
Hero (): $4.95
xxxxxxxxx: $4.63
xxxxxxxx: $2.43

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is with J J
Hero raises to $0.15, 2 folds, xxxxxx calls $0.15, xxxxxxxxxx raises to $0.60, 1 fold, Hero raises to $4.95 all in, 1 fold, xxxxxxxxxx calls $4.35

Flop: ($10.10) 9 7 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($10.10) T (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($10.10) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $10.10
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxshows K K (two pair, Kings and Nines)
Hero mucks J J
xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wins $9.68
(Rake: $0.42)

I am UTG squeezer SB

Not worth a new thread: how would you play the flop here? I shove because I can't see him having small pp, and hoped for a call like this. Standard suckout.


Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View handsssssssssssssssssssssssss
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sssssssssssssssssssssssss: $4.32
xxxxxxxxxxx: $6.11
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxe: $5.34
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: $25.12
Hero (): $4.95
xxxxxxxxxxxx: $2.49

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is with K K
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.15, 1 fold, ssssssssssssss raises to $0.45, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.10, sssssssssssssssssss calls $0.65

Flop: ($2.27) 5 3 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.85 all in, ssssssssssss $3.22 all in

Turn: ($8.71) T (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($8.71) 7 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $8.71
sssssssssssssssssssssss shows 7 7 (three of a kind, Sevens)
Hero shows K K (a pair of Kings)
xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wins $8.35
(Rake: $0.36)


I am in MP, villain on Button.

I find zoom very tilting and all players so unpredictable, mixture of spewers and trappers and slow players :S

Twice in a row again my bigger pair has lost to a smaller pair all-in pre. Is it any wonder there are rigtards?
I just tilt playing this game!

JJ hand i'd probably just fold, his 3betting range v a UTG opener, even as a squeeze is still very strong I feel.

KK hand i'd prolly 4bet a little bigger, to maybe 1.40 or something, rest is fine.

I would have played the AK hand exactly the same. I'm not folding TPTK in a 3bet pot vs an unknown who started the hand under 100bb.

KK hand is a straight up bad beat, you played it fine and got unlucky.

With the JJ hand I'm torn between folding or shoving. I certainly believe calling would have been a clear mistake though.

I think shoving is bad with the JJ hand. Why are we 4 bet shoving? We are basically turning our jacks into a bluff. Only things that beat us are going to call a 4 bet shove... especially in zoom with no reads and people are playing tighter. You went from 60 cents to 5 bucks all in. If you wanted to turn your jacks into a bluff you could bet far less. Do we need to 4 bet jacks though? Why is calling bad? From the action it seems to me that we are calling a 3 bet in position. A lot of good things can come of this... we get to be more cautious on bad flops for our hand i.e. if we think the villian's 3 betting range is pretty tight like JJ+, AK, AQ, KQ etc then if the board comes down AK9 rainbow we know we need to be pretty careful with our hand. If the board comes down all low cards we can bet the flop if checked to us or call a bet on the flop then see what happens on the turn. If he leads out on the turn or calls a turn bet, depending on board texture, we may know our hand is no good just from his range of calling two streets after 3 betting.


The problem I have with turning your jacks into a bluff or sqzing with them is that you could do the same move with any two cards that arn't jacks, and therefore it doesn't matter that you have jacks or not (so now we lose out on any value we could have with our jacks from calling) and you didn't need to shove to pull off the desired bluff. If you had 72 here and you wanted to bluff with it (I think it is a bad idea in this spot, but beside the point) you could bet 2 dollars instead of shoving. That way if you get shoved over the top you can just fold. See though if you did the same move with jacks you would have to fold your jacks to a shove. Imo it is far better to call. Even if you're turning your jacks into a set mine if the other 2 players come along (since they will have fantastic odds because of the small 3 bet size) you're still going to get more value from them. If the other two fold then you can be heads up with a guy who may just have overcards and may even peel a flop with AK or a flush draw etc.


A COMMON THEME ON ALL THESE HANDS: You keep overbetting in situations where only a range that crushes yours will call. When you overbet the pot on the flop with the KK the only hands calling that are QQ, AA, sets, and two pairs. The only hand you beat out of that calling range is QQ. The rest completely crushes you. You don't need to bet so much post flop! However, you did the wrong bet size preflop. You basically did a min 4 bet (or close to it). You were playing like you were scared to lose your customer. You should have done a real 4 bet. Pop it up to like 2 bucks so he has to shove or fold.

The JJ I don't do that much and was tilting by then.

When I overbet with KK what called? 77. The flop misses all the hands people call 4bets with - mid-high pairs and A high X.

His hand is face up and 99% of the time weaker than mine. I shove because of the awkard stack sizes making me commited on the turn unless i cbet a tiny proportion of the pot. He starts with 80 something bb

Also the 4bet is smaller than the usual 4bet size because he is not fully stacked. Though a normal bet size would have made the pot a better size for shoving the flop.

a 4bet of 2dollars makes no sense, because if I am doing it with a bluff I am committed to calling a 5 bet shove. 4 betting actually gets a lot of folds even at 5nl so is appropriate as a bluff quite often.

You're not 4 betting the KK hand as a bluff. You 4 bet to 2 dollars with the intention of calling a shove so you get it in preflop. You said the flop missed all hands people call 4 bets with. However, you're clearly wrong since someone called a 4 bet with pocket 7s. If he is doing it with 7s he might do it with other random crap too since he is a bad player. The reason for this was that you 4 bet very low so he figured he would call and try to spike something (not that he has good odds for this per se, but in a mind of a 5NL player it is only 50 more cents and he already put quite a bit in the pot). You're imparting a generic logic onto people instead of realising that they play with no real logic or reason and half the time are just pressing button (which is a good reason to get it in preflop). All your problems seem to stem from incorrect bet sizing imo.

Also shoving doesn't make huge sense with the KK hand imo (imo we should have 4 bet preflop a lot higher so he would shove or fold, but now the mistake has been made we should discuss it). If you bet say 1 dollar into the pot (which is actually fine to do in a 3 bet pot, especially given his stack size) he might call you with AK one time, he might call you with any overpair etc. I do understand that he did in fact call you with pocket 7s here but in most cases most people won't do this. They won't call a shove from you on this flop unless they are beating you or had a hand that would have gotten it in preflop to your 4 bet (like QQ and maybe JJ) and there is every chance someone has a set on the flop due to the bad 4 bet sizing or even a straight.. people will call with Axs here. However, if someone has something marginal like AK or AQ here which may be good given your range for 4 betting then they might call a dollar here and you get more value from your hand. We shouldn't be looking at results i.e. that he did call with 7s but rather look at the method and what occured regardless of the results.

I am basing that on my experience of what I see being called vs. a 4bet, and it's a narrow range that calls 4bets. Bad players don't 3bet 22,33,44, or 55 and then call a 4bet with it. They don't care about bet sizing, playing their own hands. They do that with mid PP and high AX because they are good enough to raise once but not to shove with, call and see a safe flop with.

If I was in position and a guy calls 3b OOP then it's a different story.

2 dollars makes no sense, it would either be 1.3 at the highest or a shove. In general if I start betting 2 dollars with value hands and 1.3 with AJs bluffs, then some opponents will pick up on it easily. If not this player then someone will. In the middle makes no sense as I said before. You're seeing this hand in a vacuum imo not me!