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NutsOnYahChin

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Is this an alright stack off? Any sizing advice? Do I write it off as a cooler if someones got KK+ or should you ever actually get away here?

BTN was 63/16 over 32 hands, 3bet 9.1% with 11 samples
SB was 28/15 over 69 hands
MP was 26/17 over 51 hands

Merge Network $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1744437
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MP: $27.15
CO: $25.65
BTN: $43.86
SB: $34.55
Hero (BB): $25.01
UTG: $29.71

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with Q Diamond Q Spade
1 fold, MP raises to $0.85, 1 fold, BTN raises to $2.95, SB calls $2.85, Hero raises to $10.22, 1 fold, BTN raises to $37.77, SB calls $31.60 all in, Hero calls $14.79 all in

Posted about 1 year ago

Noobalube

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I don't think you can fold after cold 4betting so big, but I think raising that much was the mistake.

Posted about 1 year ago

SCS

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huntse

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It's important to realise that the BTN's 3bet% is totally meaningless over that sample. It means he could have done it 11 times and did it once.

Posted about 1 year ago

NutsOnYahChin

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I totally agree that the sample size isn't reliable, I just figured I would include the info I had at the time though. After I 4 bet I don't think I can fold for sure because even if you give both players a range of QQ+ and AK I have about 31% equity. I suppose just jamming would be better than my 4bet/call but I wasn't sure. At the time I thought I might get a looser range to continue v.s. my 4 bet instead of a shove and then just put it in on any flop, not sure if thats bad though... or if i should even 4 bet in the first place... thanks for the input

Posted about 1 year ago

huntse

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I suppose just jamming would be better than my 4bet/call but I wasn't sure. At the time I thought I might get a looser range to continue v.s. my 4 bet instead of a shove and then just put it in on any flop,



I used to think like this, but recently I have been somewhat more inclined to jam in certain circumstances. I find that a lot of people will call it off preflop with a hand like TT or JJ, but if you 4-bet a normal size they will call and only get it in on the flop when they pull ahead of you. very villain-dependant though.

Posted about 1 year ago

danspeedy1

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I agree with the 4-bet here, a lot of weak ranges hiding in there with BTN being loose (albeit over small sample) and flat by SB. I think the issue with jamming is we will get a lot of folds from weaker hands and only get called/5-bet by stronger. However, I still like the jam in this spot as SB flatting the 3-bet here feels weak and he might stack off with 99+,AJ+ which we are obviously happy to see. Shoving will also reduce the field to 2, maybe 3 players which is good.

Posted about 1 year ago

danspeedy1

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Also, agree with huntse. Preflop may be your only chance to win their stack.

Posted about 1 year ago




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