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Villain seemed like a nitty TAG 19/15/4.3 3bet (180 hands), he had tighter stats and it was earlier in the session when this hand happened so I just gave it to him but I feel dirty folding a hand like this when I know he doesn't have the nuts. Would you call or raise? This is the first time he's donked, most of the time I view this as someone having 44-TT and just betting because they think they have the best hand but I was hesitant to raise him because he had a 38 WTSD and I wasn't sure if he'd believe my raise seeing how dry the board is. Would it be spewy to call the flop and raise most turns except maybe a J,3,2, K or Q because I think he's likely to keep donking any J or lower and I don't think he ever has a hand even a strong as a pair of jacks?

Prima, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

BTN: $10.60 (53 bb)
SB: $21.90 (109.5 bb)
BB: $30.30 (151.5 bb)
UTG: $15.72 (78.6 bb)
MP: $20.30 (101.5 bb)
Hero (CO): $34.88 (174.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q K
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.60, BTN folds, SB calls $0.50, BB folds

Flop: ($1.40) J 3 2 (2 players)
SB bets $1, Hero ?

bump

I'd fold, when nits donkbet it's not even that often those medium pairs, they ch/f that some of the time and it's skewed to Jx and sets, especially when I havent seen how he plays those I'd muck because I do think he has loads of strong hands for doing this in his range, I've even seen nits play QQ this way and what's even worse is that some players even bet the turn with 88, 99 here for whatever reason so they dont have that much of a ch/folding range and since nits are usually bad at folding postflop I dont think you can raise the turn with this garbage-equity hand

Easy fold? you have 2 over cards vs a nitty tag, that probably has a made hand, or 2 overs over your over cards
Have you seen him donk before?

Overs and a plethora of backdoors actually im not suited soo maybe not a ton. Maybe I'm too optimistic thinking I can get him to stick in half his stack and fold. I've never seen any type of TAG do this with a set, then again if they do I would probably have nothing and fold so I would almost never see it shown down.

So, what you do? Just call? Raise/fold? I think that the possibillity of you face an over pair/set is waaaaaaay bigger than to complete your backdraws... And as you say, he's a nit. What's the image he have from you? Must be nitter than he is, for you to think about any move. If he see's you just a bit loose than him, you shouldn't be thinking in nothing except fold.

With the board so dry, this won't be strong hand ever. You wouldn't raise here with big hands right? If you choose to continue, I prefer flat on flop over raise.

Yeah I like calling and hoping a 9-A comes, then raise my gutters, call and try to get value otr from my K or Q, and call my OESD + bet rivers. Especially if he only bets like half pot on the flop. Maybe he even check gives up ott idk I'll experiment and let you know how it goes.

Yeah I like calling and hoping a 9-A comes, then raise my gutters, call and try to get value otr from my K or Q, and call my OESD + bet rivers. Especially if he only bets like half pot on the flop. Maybe he even check gives up ott idk I'll experiment and let you know how it goes.

Why do you think he has such a strong range on the flop? He would of surely 3bet JJ+ vs. my CO open in that spot (the table had 2 loose-passives to my right and a nit to my direct left so I was opening incredibly wide in LP and I iso'd the fish pretty wide too, givin that I'm always folding here but vs a TAG when I've been really card dead and haven't done much I think I can get away with it) and how often do people lead with sets on this board? Especially a TAG that knows he's getting a Cbet like 80% on this texture.

I'd say not everyone 3bets JJ,QQ and not everyone knows about the cbetting, it's especially likely with someone with notsomuchtaggy stats imo

But not so many people donk lead dry flops with nuts. Most in micros slow play. At least on flop.

19/15/ 4.3 3bet seems pretty taggy to me especially with the sample even if on the nitty side, could turn out to be a 20/17. And what NL20 reg doesn't understand basic cbetting?

I agree with that, it's just that I've seen so many nits lately donk / bet / check with something like QJ here while having pretty high fold2cbets and I have rarely seen the hands I expected (mediums pairs, but maybe sample size issue) which made me think they'd be more likely to chf those

I agree with folding here, but I want to add: Take a note / pay further attention to his donk betting! I love regs who have donk betting range since it can tell you so much about their flop calling range. For instance if you later confirm that he takes this line with his nuts it's going to help a bunch with barreling him since his range is so weak when calling the flop.

I think folding is ok until you know what the donking means, is it for value or a bluff. On a flop like this he wont donk with JJ, so its probably a weak made hand or air.

I really dont see the point in donking here.