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Ongame Network $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players -

MP: $20.30
Hero (CO): $45.01
BTN: $8.91
SB: $27.44
BB: $19.40
UTG: $19.40

Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero is CO with J A
UTG raises to $0.80, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.80, 3 folds, UTG raises to $3, Hero calls $1.20

Flop: ($6.30) 8 6 J (2 players)
UTG bets $4.70, Hero calls $4.70

Turn: ($15.70) 5 (2 players)
UTG bets $11.70 all in, Hero ???

Villain is a weird 19/12. Firstly, this was a misclick, I'm not sure how I ended up raising but I meant to fold, then he repops it on the small side, with odds, I felt I kinda had to call.

OTF - TP and backdoor NFD. so I called, then he insta-jammed. Is this always AA/KK getting excited. The fact I had the A meant his combos of AKs that have a flush draw is only 1. So I felt this was quite an easy fold. But I would be interested in other peoples opinions.

These are the notes I have.


cold called 3bet donked AKx flop psb, folded to shove
flatted steal in bb with 95s

Snapfold. A wide gap between VPIP and PFR indicates a guy that likes calling and is thus likely passive. When he min4bets you he means business. This is also backed up by your notes on him so it can't be sample size causing the gap. For the same reasons that you have to fold here you should also fold preflop to his min4b.

Snapfold. A wide gap between VPIP and PFR indicates a guy that likes calling and is thus likely passive. When he min4bets you he means business. This is also backed up by your notes on him so it can't be sample size causing the gap. For the same reasons that you have to fold here you should also fold preflop to his min4b.

+1 it screams of AA or KK here. very wary of min 4-bets.

Hey guys thanks for your help. I did the maths last night. If the turn is a diamond vs his range we have to call. But obviously because it is not, just makes it an easy fold. Thanks.

yep, but the turn does not change the fact that you should fold pre because his range has you crushed

Stoved AJ vs KK+, AKs and AKo. Have to call the £1.20.

AJ may have enough equity to call 1.20 to see all 5 cards but you'll get to see 3 and then have to face another bet.

Stoved AJ vs KK+, AKs and AKo. Have to call the £1.20.

That's not how it works. He's not jamming for £1.20 more, there are still more streets to play. You don't check call a cbet with 22 on K98s either right? But according to stove you'd be priced in vs a typical cbetting range. It's pretty much the same concept at work.

It is not misclick that put you in tough spot - you did. It would not be so terrible to 3b bluff UTG with AJo once in a blue moon, I guess. But calling UTG 4b with AJo? No, no.

That's not how it works. He's not jamming for £1.20 more, there are still more streets to play. You don't check call a cbet with 22 on K98s either right? But according to stove you'd be priced in vs a typical cbetting range. It's pretty much the same concept at work.

But it's 1.20 to potentially win a stack? Sure we need to hit it big though.

But it's 1.20 to potentially win a stack? Sure we need to hit it big though.

Based on preflop action I think we could give him a range consisting mostly of AA, KK and a few AK combos. Knowing this let's proceed to the flop.
Given his range it is very unlikely that an ace will flop. If it does it will either completely kill your action or you might stack off versus a better hand. Other than that you could flop:
- nut flush draw - again very unlikely and it would be still just a draw
- pair of jacks, with or without overcards which you would play as in the above example, paying of a CB
- two pair - again action killer but you might stack AK
- trips - very unlikely. with trip A risk of running into AK again.
If he does it sometimes with AK or other hand you might not get paid off even if you hit monster.

Now do some math. Is it really just $1.20?

But it's 1.20 to potentially win a stack? Sure we need to hit it big though.

It's always x to potentially win a stack in any spot. It's also x to potentially lose a stack. Or x to lose a cbet, like you did here. Even on an AJx flop you only have 75% vs a range of AA/AK so you don't even always win when you finally hit.

If you're not fibbing about sliding the bar to 9bb and clicking raise was a misclick, take heed of such information when 3betting, seems like you have some sub-conscience drive to wanna 3bet, assuming you weren't tilting at the time.

Calling the 4bet is a bigger leak than 3betting here.


I'm curios, what's the play if we misclicked with AQs or JJ preflop?

Is the turn play burning money because if you decide to call the turn you should be prepared to call the river because of the SPR you create?

He shoved turn. It's burning money because the only hand we beat here is AdKd, which hasn't got a big part of his range and has combos.