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A-LX

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I just remembered I have blackrain79 dude's ebook, and he c&p his WRs, I think it's ok to put them here as he has them advertised openly too.

He has 14 for 2NL and 7 for 5NL, and 5.4 for 10NL. So how much would you add on to that seeing as he's a coach and instructor now? How much based on playing how many tables? He does play lots of tables at least at times.



he actually has double that cause ptr is in BB so big bets or ptbb

Posted about 1 year ago

UU!I.I.4AAUU35

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I think you can do 20bb/100 if you table select.


I'll believe it when I see it. I doubt anyone has ever had that high of a winrate @10nl over 50k+ hands, like
Emergence alluded to, the rake is proportionally higher, so I think if mid stakes or high stakes regs tried it many of them would find themselves disillusioned with how tough a grind it can be, if they could even motivate themselves to really apply themselves and really play their A game.

Posted about 1 year ago

kerwinty

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I'll believe it when I see it. I doubt anyone has ever had that high of a winrate @10nl over 50k+ hands, like
Emergence alluded to, the rake is proportionally higher, so I think if mid stakes or high stakes regs tried it many of them would find themselves disillusioned with how tough a grind it can be, if they could even motivate themselves to really apply themselves and really play their A game.


agreed. not to say the the better players couldn't obviously win, but they would have to adjust which they know how to do intrinsically having climbed the stakes. But standard game at 10 nl is not standard at 1000. the bb vs button 3 to 5 beat thing with any pair imo could never be used successfully since ranges are tighter, and people don't stack off alot of time with anything but AA and KK. Yes they could exploit that and 5 bet bluff more, but just giving small example.

Posted about 1 year ago

UU!I.I.4AAUU35

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I know mid stakes winners could absolutely beat the games, if they could motivate themselves to play well way below their normal level, but I think if someone thinks they're just gonna go there and vacuum up all the money ten bucks at a time and it's just gonna be like effortless free cash, if they tried it, they would be surprised, especially in todays game.

Posted about 1 year ago

Emergence

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yeah cool. I wasn't sure to which u were referring so I was just clarifying. Im
Not sure which pt3 refers to, bb or ptbb?


pt3, pt4, ptr do ptbb
hem does bb

Posted about 1 year ago

UU!I.I.4AAUU35

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Yes 3bet bluffing works at 10nl, regs are doing it, and at 25nl it is pretty standard nowadays.

Posted about 1 year ago

stl_jones

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Yes 3bet bluffing works at 10nl, regs are doing it, and at 25nl it is pretty standard nowadays.



Pathetic really that this is what the games have become.

Posted about 1 year ago

Emergence

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Why bother with rake that proportionally high? Just spend more time reviewing and improving away from the table so you can move up imo, you pay less rake so more bang for your buck. Take shots more aggressively; every hand played at 10NL could be played at higher stakes with higher hourly and lower proportional rake. Putting in hundreds of thousands of hands at stakes like that is just a waste of time imo. I'm not talking recreational players but from the point of someone that would like to make a buck or two with poker.

Posted about 1 year ago

SavingForBenz

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Why bother with rake that proportionally high? Just spend more time reviewing and improving away from the table so you can move up imo, you pay less rake so more bang for your buck. Take shots more aggressively; every hand played at 10NL could be played at higher stakes with higher hourly and lower proportional rake. Putting in hundreds of thousands of hands at stakes like that is just a waste of time imo. I'm not talking recreational players but from the point of someone that would like to make a buck or two with poker.


Really depends on your learning style. But people need bankrolls to play.

Posted about 1 year ago

Acombfosho

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.. some friends are hooked up with the semi legal smuggling business from the states since they work for airlines,.



haha, sounds legit

Posted about 1 year ago

kerwinty

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Why bother with rake that proportionally high? Just spend more time reviewing and improving away from the table so you can move up imo, you pay less rake so more bang for your buck. Take shots more aggressively; every hand played at 10NL could be played at higher stakes with higher hourly and lower proportional rake. Putting in hundreds of thousands of hands at stakes like that is just a waste of time imo. I'm not talking recreational players but from the point of someone that would like to make a buck or two with poker.


For me exactly that- br. I somehow got myself in a jam in Latin america being an american and have to withdraw to pay for life. I luckily have small income from states but still need to withdrawl monthy. I play on short bank roll and am usually play on between a 10 and 20 bi roll. Moving up makes sense and will at some point but for not- this is what I gotta do... Sure plenty of players are in similar situations.

Posted about 1 year ago

matt9041

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i dont know about you guys but i have to practice the concepts i learn for a while before i can master them.
as much as i know i should fold to a river ck/r i still call sometimes.
practicing the concepts you learn away from the table is just as important as the time you put in studying IMO.

Posted about 1 year ago

Acombfosho

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Pathetic really that this is what the games have become.



*lol* posts on free poker strategy forum, with subscription video content. *wonders why games are harder*

Posted about 1 year ago

jaimestaples

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*lol* posts on free poker strategy forum, with subscription video content. *wonders why games are harder*


Joe Tall is right when he says its not the training sites fault. Its the fact that fish cant deosit and half of the US thinks its illegal.

Posted about 1 year ago

stl_jones

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Joe Tall is right when he says its not the training sites fault. Its the fact that fish cant deosit and half of the US thinks its illegal.



That's a huge part of it, but the fact that a huge number of people are competent and realize how easy money poker can be, will prevent the games from being filled with fish like they once were.

Posted about 1 year ago




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