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kerwinty

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For the first time checking out in detail ptr about my player pool at 10nl. I usually search opponents that have weird tendancies or seem very good or very bad, but for the first time am looking at it more extensively. Most of the opponents I most respect that play well imo are either slight winners or losers. I don't get it? How is this possible. Rake aside, and I know rake is a huge part of poker economics, but with that being said, there are soooooooooo many losers. Who wins? The guys that are regs and seem intelligent must have serious leaks that I don't pick up. Very weird. Maybe no one stays at 10nl ever but still, I haven't looked up one opponent that has higher BB/100 over large sample than 3. I know that is expected but these are the best guys at the table.
PS it also misses hands- don't know why and have never talked shop about ptr with people, but has missed alot of my hands comparing to HM.

Posted about 1 year ago

zachd2323

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I'm guessing if you have a higher winrate than 3bb/100, there wouldn't be much of a reason to stay at 10nl.

Posted about 1 year ago

shuttle

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2 reasons, why there are so many losing players at that stake:
The rake
Winning players move up

Posted about 1 year ago

huntse

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I'm guessing if you have a higher winrate than 3bb/100, there wouldn't be much of a reason to stay at 10nl.



Right. Why would you have a large sample at 10nl if you had a high win rate?

Posted about 1 year ago

shuttle

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Going to play some zoom 10nl right now to test out the games. Will report back soon!

Posted about 1 year ago

Armisan

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Going to play some zoom 10nl right now to test out the games. Will report back soon!



Not the best time of day to do so Smile (it`s like mid morning in Europe).

Posted about 1 year ago

PrinzVonHapunkt

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very good time to do so in my experience

Posted about 1 year ago

shuttle

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Gah particulaly underwhelming, 1093hand I played pretty good by finished down like a dollar. Paid $9.75 in rake. Made one really stupid call vs possibly the worst value minimizing line I've ever seen. My thought process gets in the way at these stakes sometimes, people just take retardo lines and you have to fold despite them making the absolute minimum overall from how they play if they play it that way and you won't be exploited either because they simply are never bluffing but it just is difficult for some reason for me to say fold a really strong hand to some 3bet pre small mindonk check/minraise 1/3 pot river line when they are like literally never bluffing.

Posted about 1 year ago

inavacuum

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very good time to do so in my experience



Shhht! Ignore this, everyone keep playing evenings and weekends. Those are the best times. They have to be, right? Exactly. Nothing to see here. Carry on.

Posted about 1 year ago

PrinzVonHapunkt

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hey come one dont ruin this, I just wanted them to stay away from the afternoon-evenings in europe

Posted about 1 year ago

inavacuum

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I'm just messing with you. The morning is the best time to play.

Posted about 1 year ago

PrinzVonHapunkt

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yes you made me realize what I did Smile

uh oh, lots of potential leveling going on here

Posted about 1 year ago

kerwinty

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Don't understand where there thread went, but do have higher bb/100 (according to PTR) than most regs I consider better than me, including ds that was about 30k hand spewing, playing bad poker trying to win MORE than I was winning at the stake. Yes, I had a good session with inavacuum and it was clear I should have moved up and did for a short while winning 7bb/100 over 10k. But, since I am such and idiot and moved to a country with no roll to play poker and cash out every week, I am forced to play a tight style that doesn't get me into too many jams. It worked very well at the beginning and is working lately but during the break even stretch, I def changed my game to be able to play with better players when it wasn't necessary, and just sucked balls. So in response to the comments, I am winning more down here, and prob would be doing so way better if I didn't try to outplay the regs and win every pot off the fish for a huge sample. Moving up, I might get crushed, be way -ev or have no shot, who knows. But I do know that playing how I feel comfortable while def winning lots at the level is fine atm. Like I said, if br permits I move up and keep moving up. But I cut off my source of income (outside of $125 buck a week) from a pharmacy my sister and I own but don't run, but that doesn't mean I'd will win higher (than 20 nll, my sample and knowing the players makes it essentially the same game). Anyway, enough rant, but was really curious who the winners were, how much higher there bb/100 was than min etc.... I def dont' feel like close to the best player the table strategy wise or aggression wise, but what from what I can tell, that is fine as long as I win and they lose. I think it has been alot of inbedded concepts, thougths, strategys that overwhelmed for a while, but that I eventually let settle into my subconcious and I am making better decisions. sorry, this thread is about discussion not me, but wanted to lay out why I think the best players at the tables don't win as much (not that the monetary figure is even important) They are cleary thinking smart aggressive players that even scare me, but not trying to outplay them and find spots seems to work, when they are more content battling the second best player at the table even if it means losing 4 bi's. Hence imo the poor ptr rating from people that in my opinion play well. Anyway, after the rant would love to hear for commentary about the topic. Maybe this concept never comes up because logicially, every winning player moves up. Thx.... Keith

Posted about 1 year ago

kerwinty

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[quote]I'm guessing if you have a higher winrate than 3bb/100, there wouldn't be much of a reason to stay at 10nl.[/quNo

Not much but I do, 8/bb over 175k. Reason for staying here is because I'm an idiot an have no roll,and use the money to live. No room for big downswings etc.... Looking here in Ecuador as a bacchelor and masters degree graduate for side work, that would allow me to worry less about results and play better poker. But if you want to be an part time english teach here, they would be happy to pay you $3.25/hr... no thanks lmao.. some friends are hooked up with the semi legal smuggling business from the states since they work for airlines, so might be able to make side loot from that to not worry about br and cashing out every week. who knows...

Posted about 1 year ago

kerwinty

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other option is to look for a stake but have no sense if that is a good idea. Read some threads on 2+2, but don't know if it is worth it. Might make more sense to propose to my roomate that he give me a 2k br to play, and I give him 5 percent of all future winnings ever- hoping and expecting there is some? Thoughts? He's be down bc he is one of the few Ecuadorian ballers that will do anything to make a buck and live a baller lifetsyle although I definitley don't get it. We went to vegas last year on his insistance, I dropped 2k in 5 days, he dropped 10k and he went there with the intention of losing or spending it all. These crazy Latino Machistas. He just got a $2800 watch from my host mother (his aunt) for his birthday, when that amount is more that than 95 percent of the country makes per month. And I saw them do the bank transfer for the amount because I helped them with it (it was in english), and thought to myself oh how that roll what change alot for me. Not that I'd def win, but I'd take shots, etc and it would be GOOD. anywhooooooo.

Posted about 1 year ago




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