Don't understand where there thread went, but do have higher bb/100 (according to PTR) than most regs I consider better than me, including ds that was about 30k hand spewing, playing bad poker trying to win MORE than I was winning at the stake. Yes, I had a good session with inavacuum and it was clear I should have moved up and did for a short while winning 7bb/100 over 10k. But, since I am such and idiot and moved to a country with no roll to play poker and cash out every week, I am forced to play a tight style that doesn't get me into too many jams. It worked very well at the beginning and is working lately but during the break even stretch, I def changed my game to be able to play with better players when it wasn't necessary, and just sucked balls. So in response to the comments, I am winning more down here, and prob would be doing so way better if I didn't try to outplay the regs and win every pot off the fish for a huge sample. Moving up, I might get crushed, be way -ev or have no shot, who knows. But I do know that playing how I feel comfortable while def winning lots at the level is fine atm. Like I said, if br permits I move up and keep moving up. But I cut off my source of income (outside of $125 buck a week) from a pharmacy my sister and I own but don't run, but that doesn't mean I'd will win higher (than 20 nll, my sample and knowing the players makes it essentially the same game). Anyway, enough rant, but was really curious who the winners were, how much higher there bb/100 was than min etc.... I def dont' feel like close to the best player the table strategy wise or aggression wise, but what from what I can tell, that is fine as long as I win and they lose. I think it has been alot of inbedded concepts, thougths, strategys that overwhelmed for a while, but that I eventually let settle into my subconcious and I am making better decisions. sorry, this thread is about discussion not me, but wanted to lay out why I think the best players at the tables don't win as much (not that the monetary figure is even important) They are cleary thinking smart aggressive players that even scare me, but not trying to outplay them and find spots seems to work, when they are more content battling the second best player at the table even if it means losing 4 bi's. Hence imo the poor ptr rating from people that in my opinion play well. Anyway, after the rant would love to hear for commentary about the topic. Maybe this concept never comes up because logicially, every winning player moves up. Thx.... Keith