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michel2311

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I think he minraises preflop so I 3bet him with AJo. Hit my TP on the flop and bet for value on the flop and turn. On the river a J appears and villain bets around 1/2 pot. Fold or call???

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BB: $8.34 (166.8 bb)
UTG: $5.13 (102.6 bb)
MP: $2 (40 bb)
CO: $7.53 (150.6 bb)
Hero (BTN): $5.07 (101.4 bb)
SB: $7.02 (140.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with AClub TClub
UTG raises to $0.10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.67) AHeart 6Club 9Spade (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.35, UTG calls $0.35

Turn: ($1.37) 4Diamond (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.65, UTG calls $0.65

River: ($2.67) JClub (2 players)
UTG bets $1.45, Hero ????

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Posted about 1 year ago

oneillsurfer03

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I would fold here for sure. As far as the hand played. I would be flatting pre. No need to 3 bet this. As played the c/c c/c lead line is rarely a bluff and its usually a hand that improves on the river. Sometimes from mega fish its a bluff when a draw misses but he doesnt have too many draws as is on this board and is folding them to a turn bet. AJ makes a ton of sense and he would play it this way to get value from AK AQ. So id fold but flop and turn are fine. I think i might lean towards a check on the turn because the hands we get value from we get on the river and the hands we do get value on the turn becomes more and more narrow.

Posted about 1 year ago

Wirr

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I would flat pre and then bet flop, ck turn. I don't think he'll ever bluff you on the river so I would ck/fold.

He's more likely to bet with sets on the river and Ax which mostly beats your range. And he would ck down the river with some pp like, QQ, KK.

That's my theory.

Posted about 1 year ago

2fouroffsuit

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The c/c c/c lead line is rarely a bluff.



Totally agreed, but it doesn't necessarily need to be a hand that improves on the river. Esp, at micro stakes it could be 2pr or a set slowplayed from an earlier street.

You didn't give any reads about villain, so flatting or 3betting could be fine depending on opponent type.

Posted about 1 year ago

cam167

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I'm flatting pre here, unless you have specific reads.

Flop and turn are fine as played, but im folding the river as well, as pointed out, the cx/c cx/c lead line is rarely a bluff, and esp here since the are no draws besides the 78 that missed, and I doubt he would be opening the in the first place UTG (would be nice if you included some reads or stats)

What do you think michel, name some hands that got to the river this way that we beat.

Posted about 1 year ago

Branch10

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cam167

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We're betting the turn because...?


Because the 4 doesn't change neither our nor villains range, since it doesnt coordinates with the board, and if we thought we were ahead on the flop, we are as well on the turn.
Not sure if im formulating myself right. But I bet someone has a better way of saying what I am trying too Smile

Posted about 1 year ago

Wirr

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Because the 4 doesn't change neither our nor villains range, since it doesnt coordinates with the board, and if we thought we were ahead on the flop, we are as well on the turn.
Not sure if im formulating myself right. But I bet someone has a better way of saying what I am trying too Smile



I think there are no worse hands at the turn that calls our double barrel.

But some of them might call the flop.

Posted about 1 year ago

SCS

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Preflop - I would flat as a default. 3 betting may be fine with the right reads/dynamic

Flop - Bet is standard. Probably would bet a little bigger.

Turn - My default would be to check back the turn. If you have a read that villain is very stationy, or you have a history of floating villain, then betting the turn for value is fine.

River - I'd fold. This is never a bluff.

Posted about 1 year ago




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