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Nocco

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[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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BTN: $22.35 (89.4 bb)
SB: $25.02 (100.1 bb)
BB: $35.67 (142.7 bb)
UTG: $43.85 (175.4 bb)
Hero (MP): $29.91 (119.6 bb)
CO: $25 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with AHeart AClub
UTG raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.50, CO calls $2.50, 4 folds

Flop: ($6.10) QDiamond 7Spade 4Diamond (2 players)
Hero bets $3, CO calls $3

Turn: ($12.10) 5Spade (2 players)
Hero bets $5.78, CO raises to $13.50, Hero folds

Villain's stats: VPIP:35 PFR:25 AG:3,5 H:43

Well, he is very agressive. This was a 3-bet pot, and I don't know what is the good play on the turn. Does he ever bluff here in a 3-bet pot? The turn fold is good? What will be the scenario if it is a single raised pot?

Posted about 1 year ago

Noobalube

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I know people are going to say "baluga, baluga, baluga", but the fact that you don't hold blockers to either NFD really makes this hard for me to fold. You're raising an UTG open so do you think villain cold-calls 44 here? Or 77 all of the time? Do you think he just flats QQ here on the flop 100% of the time? If 44 and 77 is in villain's range, then so can KSpadeQSpade, ASpadeQSpade and air. Your sizing on the turn looks pretty weak which might induce some spazzy action, even though this is only $25NL.

Posted about 1 year ago

dutchnub

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I agree with Noobalube, it seems unlikely for him to have 44, 77 so the only hand that has you crushed is QQ. This is such a narrow range while he could do this with a fd, tptk or random spew and we have pretty good odds to the pot I'm getting it in here.

Posted about 1 year ago

StueysKid

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This one is close. What does everyone think of the turn underbet?

Even though he's aggressive, I think you're okay ditching here. If this guy were ordinary/standard/straightforward, then it's really easy to muck here. Assuming straightforwardness, I see the turn bet sizing as mission accomplished.

Your flop bet size sucked though.

Posted about 1 year ago

spacebar

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Need to bet way more on the flop with overs here, especially since any Qx hands are going to call us since he only flats us pre I think.

I think this is probably what he has, it may be suited so he might also be playing his draw aggressive here.

Posted about 1 year ago

ejplecht

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bet size is quite bad.
vs aggro opponent I Iike c/shove Turn.

Posted about 1 year ago

Noobalube

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Ok, I think we all agree the sizing isn't the greatest, but what does everyone make of villain's raise size on the turn? Looking at this again, it seems to be more valueish than say jamming?? It's apparent villain wants a call.

Posted about 1 year ago

Luke00016

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I think poor bet sizing has put you in an awkward situation. You're raising an UTG bettor preflop so you can get away with a larger than usual PF raise because his range is stronger than his stats indicate.

On the flop you should be betting more than 1/2 pot on this board. You're going to get action from AQ/KQ/KK/AdXd. Bet closer to $5 and you'll be more comfortably set up for a bet/bet allin line.

Posted about 1 year ago

Nocco

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Thanks for the replies. I am struggling with 3-bet pots. Generally, I almost always bet half a pot in 3-bet pots, because if I bet half a pot on the flop and on the turn then I can put my stack in on the river if I have a decent hand. And also generally a lot of players play very straightforward in 3-bet pots. So generally what is the good bet size in 3-bet pots? What bet size I should use when I have nothing and there is a good board to c-bet, and what bet size I should use when I have something in a 3-bet pot?

Posted about 1 year ago

Noobalube

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I mean, I typically bet 1/2 pot as well, but might opt to bet a little more on this flop when I'm not nut flush draw blocker.

Posted about 1 year ago

achabra12

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I would bet bigger OTF. And I definitely would not be folding that turn. The only reasonable hand in his range that beats us at that point is QQ. He could easily have AQ/KQ, a flush draw or even air (although air is much less likely given his sizing).

Posted about 1 year ago

StueysKid

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I cbet half pot also, but I use it AS A GUIDE not a rule. I will flex depending on the board texture.

Dry low board texture, going half pot. Wet middle texture, going a bit larger.

So here pot is 6.1 and you bet 3. I think you can go 3.6, 3.7, maybe even 4. If you're unsure of yourself on the turn, you can go with your normal smaller sizing or to induce a bluff.
For example, assume low dry board 722 rainbow. Turn is a 4. You go small to induce... you know you have the best hand and the opponent at best is drawing to 2 outs... so the river shove is also likely to be good almost regardless of the card

And as for villain's range, it just depends on what he'd raise with. Some players do not raise the KK here fearing for QQ (yes, really), but an aggro player probably would raise KK here hoping you have AQ. I think AQ ought not be raising the turn here unless it's AQ with the flush draw.

Posted about 1 year ago




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