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BB: $57.59
UTG: $95.65
Hero (CO): $63.53
BTN: $43.97
SB: $46.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with 9 9
UTG raises to $2.50, Hero calls $2.50, 3 folds

Flop: ($5.75) K 9 7 (2 players)
UTG bets $3.64, Hero raises to $12, UTG calls $8.36

Turn: ($29.75) 6 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets?

UTG seemed like a reg over a small sample.
What sizing do you think is best?

so you have 50 behind in a pot of 30 if im correct.
I would bet 20 on the turn & shove the river

I think we can go with two different betsizes ott.

If we put alot of Kx's in his range, I would go with around $20, and shoving the riv.

If we put draws in his range, I think we can go bigger, like 26-28 to charge max value from them.

However I think it is worth noticing that he made it 5x pre, I know he's UTG, but I still think it is rather large, he's probably doing this because he's deep, and has a premium hand, and therefore might be more likely to stack of with a strong king.
So it might be correct making it rather big ott regardless.

Yeah I think I would go with 26-28, and if river completes the club draw and he cx, i'm checking behind.

Betting close to pot would probably make the villain to lay down his draw. So imo more optimal is to bet ~20.

Betting close to pot would probably make the villain to lay down his draw. So imo more optimal is to bet ~20.

You don't think if he's calling 20 he's calling 26?

And do you put any thoughts into his 5x raising size?

And given that he calls the flop raise, what makes you think that he's folding to the 6, it dosen't really changes much imo

in this spot i bet 21.5, think i agree overall with everything that was said, hard to say if 20 and 26 have different ranges that call. Pretty player dependent. I do agree with cam that it is about the same,
what do you guys think of overbetting turn to try and look like busted FD?

would you ever overbet the turn with a busted flushdraw ?
i dont know if many players do that, or if villains think that many players do that...
i think you might scare away a flushdraw or Kx hand by overbetting the turn...

I like betting about $20 into the $30 pot OTT. That sets up stacks for a 2/3rd pot sized river bet if we catch a clean river. Betting $20 also makes it a bit more of a mistake for him to call with his FD's.

what do you guys think of overbetting turn to try and look like busted FD?

I wouldn't want to do that. Scares off too much value. OTR if we were really deep that could be an option, but even still, maybe not the play we want.

You don't think if he's calling 20 he's calling 26?

And do you put any thoughts into his 5x raising size?

And given that he calls the flop raise, what makes you think that he's folding to the 6, it dosen't really changes much imo

1. If he knows about pot odds it does have a difference

2. Could be his standard

3. Yes, it doesn't change the board or whatever, but when we double barrel our range becomes, in theory, stronger. The fact that he bet/called the flop means that the villain is unlikely to have a nutted hand. I'd put a ton of Kx and draws in his range. He could call 26 with Kx or he may fold the weakest ones or all of them, hard to say. But it is really likely that the villain will fold some draws to a 26 bet than 20 bet.

1. If he knows about pot odds it does have a difference

2. Could be his standard

3. Yes, it doesn't change the board or whatever, but when we double barrel our range becomes, in theory, stronger. The fact that he bet/called the flop means that the villain is unlikely to have a nutted hand. I'd put a ton of Kx and draws in his range. He could call 26 with Kx or he may fold the weakest ones or all of them, hard to say. But it is really likely that the villain will fold some draws to a 26 bet than 20 bet.

I agree more with Cam167 then with this.
In the end I bet 21.5 and Villain folded. sorry for spoiler.
Also Cams bet size is better since he is raising UTG and has a hand like kq and Ak here often, so a bigger bet size targets this range well.

I agree more with Cam167 then with this.
In the end I bet 21.5 and Villain folded. sorry for spoiler.
Also Cams bet size is better since he is raising UTG and has a hand like kq and Ak here often, so a bigger bet size targets this range well.

That is true about more value hands being in his range than draws overall. He probably would only have A-Xs and a few S.C.'s that would have any kind of draw. Maybe the bigger size would be better overall.

1. If he knows about pot odds it does have a difference

2. Could be his standard

3. Yes, it doesn't change the board or whatever, but when we double barrel our range becomes, in theory, stronger. The fact that he bet/called the flop means that the villain is unlikely to have a nutted hand. I'd put a ton of Kx and draws in his range. He could call 26 with Kx or he may fold the weakest ones or all of them, hard to say. But it is really likely that the villain will fold some draws to a 26 bet than 20 bet.

1. true

2. true

3. I agree that we look stronger, however, given that we raised the flop, I think we look strong enough as it is, and since he continues after the raise, he's probably not folding a king on this brick.
I think that if villain is folding to a $26 bet he's also folding to a $20 bet with a draw.

I could ofcourse be wrong, and in the end, regardles of the bet size, if we make it 20 or 30 we will get it in on the river, I just want to get max value on the earlier streets to commit villain, so he has very little behind on the river compared to the pot size, and will call it of lighter.

Idk, if I should be thinking about balancing my value range with my bluff range at 50nl, so I make it smaller, so my bluffs are cheaper in the future?

Yeah I think I would go with 26-28, and if river completes the club draw and he cx, i'm checking behind.

Whatever bet size you choose, I would shove any river. Villain is unlikely to fold any decent hand on the river when he's getting over 3.5-1 on a call.

It kinda depends, if we put alot of Kx type hands then yeah, I shove any river, but if we put alot of FD's in his range, then I think checking back is a valid option.

And tbh given that it's an UTG pre flop raiser, I think, (not sure obv) that he might have more Kx's in his range, although, given that alot of people raise FD's on these boards, he might be bet/3betting with them, to get max value from our precieved range, wish is weighted towards FD's.

So therefore, he might have more FD's in his range?

Man, i'm kinda confusing my self now