50NL at iPoker is a non-stop 3bet-fest, so I was very surprised to see how passively these Stars games played. Maybe it was just a quiet session.
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50NL at iPoker is a non-stop 3bet-fest, so I was very surprised to see how passively these Stars games played. Maybe it was just a quiet session.
I was a little suprised about the AJ hand where guru 3bets the UTG raiser from the sb. Is this standart ? Normally, against UTG raiser who isn`t a total donkey, I would think that I`m not ahead of his opening range. And especially oop bring myself in a bad spot.
I was a little suprised about the AJ hand where guru 3bets the UTG raiser from the sb. Is this standart ? Normally, against UTG raiser who isn`t a total donkey, I would think that I`m not ahead of his opening range. And especially oop bring myself in a bad spot.
do you have the time for this? I agree it's not standard if it was 6-handed. did I comment on it?
do you have the time for this? I agree it's not standard if it was 6-handed. did I comment on it?
min38. This hand in particular was 4handed, don't know if you realized that though. But you did say he 3bet small and that he didn't play the hand that well.
min38. This hand in particular was 4handed, don't know if you realized that though. But you did say he 3bet small and that he didn't play the hand that well.
ah yeah, I might not have noticed it was 4 handed, but that player is right next to the button so I'm pretty sure I realized he was the CO.
ok, thought it was 5/6 handed
.but 4 handed i*am most oft the time fine with the 3bet...
Great video and good consept, love it!
Cant wait for more of this.
you talked about not 4betting AK against some players at these limits, but if im OOP, i can't call, so just fold?
you talked about not 4betting AK against some players at these limits, but if im OOP, i can't call, so just fold?
I'm not sure if you guys realize, but we make these videos pretty far in advance, so it's really, really helpful to get the time of the spot you're talking about. You CAN call OOP with AK though. it's not a huge winning play, and typically pushing or 4-betting yields a higher expectation, but if you don't think stacking off has much value, you can call. it depends on the opponent's range. if he's 3-betting only AA-QQ and AK, there's nothing wrong with folding AK OOP. if he's 3-betting JJ and AQ as well, then you can stack off. you're 40% vs. AA-JJ and AK, and assuming only AQ folds, that's still roughly 30% of his range. so pushing/4-betting is +EV, though this is a spot where I'd call if I had position.
thanks for the detailed answer, awesome series concept and video
Late to the party but just wanted to say this a great concept for a series.
I wish I had started watching it before I commented on the Hoodie Wars pt 1 forum. This is exactly the type of series I was referring to.
Paul
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I have a question about the notion that it's best to 3-bet hands like AJ/KQ against 'any type of player' when in the big blind facing a raise from the button.
The line of reasoning makes sense against a competent player. When he calls our 3-bet, we can make assumptions about what his likely range is, and we have a considerable amount of fold equity when we c-bet a reasonable board. Assuming we're doing this often enough, this has the added bonus of merging our range when we do hit a tptk/tpgk type hand.
But against a fish I always considered the best play to be flatting with our AJ/KQ type hands out of position, especially against a calling station. When we have less fold equity on the flop (because these guys don't fold as often as they should), it seems like we are charging ourselves a premium to play the hand out of position, when we could just be flatting and dominating their preflop range with our strong broadway hands.
What is the general consensus on 3-betting strong broadway hands oop against a fish?
But against a fish I always considered the best play to be flatting with our AJ/KQ type hands out of position, especially against a calling station. When we have less fold equity on the flop (because these guys don't fold as often as they should), it seems like we are charging ourselves a premium to play the hand out of position, when we could just be flatting and dominating their preflop range with our strong broadway hands.
What is the general consensus on 3-betting strong broadway hands oop against a fish?
If the bad player is raising some reasonable amount of hands (maybe 20 or 25%+ in that given situation) and not just premiums, there is lots of value in 3-betting AJ/KQ. A loose player will call with all sorts of dominated hands preflop, and 2nd best hands postflop. I don't think it's true that they're going to all any flop, but bluffing isn't how you're going to make most of your profit anyway. You're effectively reducing stack size so it's easier to stack the loose player when he flops a worse top pair, or possibly 2nd pair (or worse). When he decides to call with a draw, his implied odds are limited because the stack-to-pot ratio is smaller. When out of position these hands usually play best with the initiative in spots where most of the money can go in on earlier streets when TPGK is strongest.
Very nice vid ! Loved it thanks a lot...gonna keep watching the rest of the series for sure !
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I"m curious, why would we be raising 67 on the button vs full stacked blinds? Can you please expand on this?
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