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Villain is a tag he doesn't seem that solid though

we have both full stacks.

Xerxes raises UTG with A,K villain calls OTB

flop A,3,2 i check he bets / pot i reraise to times his bet and he shoves.

fold or call????????

Hey xerxes,

It really seems to me that you shouldn't be checkraising this flop to full pot unless you already know what you should be doing when he shoves. This is a very very important concept (IMO) in NLHE, having an entire plan for your hand (Josh covers this very well in his series).

With a dry board, I think there's value in betting this flop if you think he's not that solid -- see if you can induce some floats, as well as all the hands he'll call with (ATs+), then either put him on an installment plan or at the very least have more options for how to deal with the turn (check-call, check-shove, bet-call it off, etc).

Given how few ways there are for him to make monsters here, I'm comfortable playing for stacks if I c/r full pot, but I pretty much never take that line on the flop unless I know it can induce a shove. You have to realize that by c/r full pot, you're repping basically excatly what you have, since there isn't much you'd do that with as a bluff.

Rob

Hey xerxes,

It really seems to me that you shouldn't be checkraising this flop to full pot unless you already know what you should be doing when he shoves. This is a very very important concept (IMO) in NLHE, having an entire plan for your hand (Josh covers this very well in his series).

With a dry board, I think there's value in betting this flop if you think he's not that solid -- see if you can induce some floats, as well as all the hands he'll call with (ATs+), then either put him on an installment plan or at the very least have more options for how to deal with the turn (check-call, check-shove, bet-call it off, etc).

Given how few ways there are for him to make monsters here, I'm comfortable playing for stacks if I c/r full pot, but I pretty much never take that line on the flop unless I know it can induce a shove. You have to realize that by c/r full pot, you're repping basically excatly what you have, since there isn't much you'd do that with as a bluff.

ahhh someone can play some NL. great post

ahhh someone can play some NL. great post

Good teachers help IMO.

I will give you the simplified version of Entity's great post (which I 100% agree with).

In short (what helps my students understand these spots the best): check/raising these flop textures allows villian to play perfectly.

Yeah I see. That's probabaly why I can't win at NL100. I need to get a better understanding of the basic concepts. God I hate this. I feel like I'm wasting my time playing NL50 and every time I take a shot at NL100 I get crushed.

Why not just c-bet?

I'm trying to fill in exactly what happened in this hand.

You have a 100 BB stack UTG and so does villain (button).

You raise to...I'm guessing 4 BBs? Villain calls. Pot is 9 BBs.

Flop comes A32 "dry" -- does that mean rainbow as well? You check, villain bets pot -- so, about 9 BBs. You raise two times his bet: do you mean you minraise to 18 BBs or you raise to 27 BBs? Villain three-bets all-in.

If the flop had two to a suit then I'd say he's often got a flush draw. Especially if the flop was something like A 3 2, where he could have Ax. If the flop was actually rainbow then this looks like either a weaker ace or a big pocket pair (non-AA), which would make this a fairly easy call. Sure, you could always run into AA, 33, or 22, but if that happens then it happens, and that's why they call it gambling.

OOP it's often hard to play TPTK, even if you were the preflop raiser. However, in this case a standard c-bet seems the best choice -- when you checkraise you really show a great deal of strength and a thinking opponent can (and will) fold without a rather strong hand of his own. If you lead you actually look markedly WEAKER than if you checkraise, and your opponent is more likely to pay off your hand with crappier stuff, or at LEAST float to the turn. How you then play the turn and river is going to be fairly opponent- and history-specific. For example, if you have a tendency to give up your c-bets after the flop, feel free to CRAI the turn, snapping off a bluff from your opponent and maybe even getting an "I don't believe you" call from a weaker ace. If you tend to fire multiple barrels with air -- and if your opponent KNOWS this -- then by all means, keep shooting.

Basically, on the turn play the hand the same way you'd play 77. Never let 'em see you coming.