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Villain is a lagtag and I don't have much history with him. He doesn't seem very decent but he is not cluless either.


Seat 5: xerxestheg ($63.45 in chips)
Seat 6: Crunkest ($75.55 in chips)
Seat 8: Chamanide ($50.75 in chips)
Seat 9: Pedro-Brazil ($36 in chips)

xerxestheg [ 9 , 8 ]

ANTES/BLINDS
Crunkest posts blind ($0.25), Chamanide posts blind ($0.50).

PRE-FLOP
Pedro-Brazil folds, xerxestheg bets $2, Crunkest folds, Chamanide calls $1.50.

FLOP [board cards: T,Q,J ]
Chamanide checks, xerxestheg bets $3, Chamanide calls $3.

TURN [board cards: T,Q,J ,T ]
Chamanide checks, xerxestheg bets $7, Chamanide bets $45.75 and is all-in, xerxestheg folds.

Tricky hand.

I'd be inclined to check the river. Why? Well, AK and pairs are in his range for calling a PF raise. That means you're crushed by AK or a set that turns a full house on the river. When a board pairs, I usually just exercise pot control.

If he's a bluff-maniac then you would have some data on him to *maybe* make the river call. But the board is just too dangerous and a river check/fold is the right way to go in my opinion.

I'm not sure you read the hand correctly. This hand doesn't get to the river and I have position in this hand so I can't C/fold .

Tricky hand.

I'd be inclined to check the river. Why? Well, AK and pairs are in his range for calling a PF raise. That means you're crushed by AK or a set that turns a full house on the river. When a board pairs, I usually just exercise pot control.

If he's a bluff-maniac then you would have some data on him to *maybe* make the river call. But the board is just too dangerous and a river check/fold is the right way to go in my opinion.

Whoa whoa whoa. AK and pairs are in his range...maybe, but there was no preflop reraise, making JJ+/AK very unlikely. TT is a possibility but there is only one combo of that left in the deck. It is much more likely that we are facing a boat from JT/QT or something like that.

I'm not sure you read the hand correctly. This hand doesn't get to the river and I have position in this hand so I can't C/fold .

Sorry meant fold the turn.

Whoa whoa whoa. AK and pairs are in his range...maybe, but there was no preflop reraise, making JJ+/AK very unlikely. TT is a possibility but there is only one combo of that left in the deck. It is much more likely that we are facing a boat from JT/QT or something like that.

We're talking NL50 here. And a lot of weak players limp with JJ - AK. They think they're being tricky. I occasionally limp with AK myself to mix it up.

JT/QT is a good analysis - some looser players would call with those hands to a PF raise.

Still it's interesting to think, why does Chamanide get it all in on 4th when he's got a full boat? He should just call then try to get it in on the river.

I don't think the fact that you have bottom straight matters a lot here. Villain is unlikely to have AK for the higher straight. JJ and QQ are also not very likely because he would have reraised you pf. (same for AK)

Villain can very well have QT or JT here, but given the fact that he's aggressive he could also be doing this with a hand like T9 or T8. He could very well have 98 as well.

I'm leaning toward a call here because I think villain is more likely to raise you on the flop with QT or JT. It is a drawy board and he would not be happy to give a free card, or risk an action-killing card on the turn. So most likely he called you with T9 or T8 and now he's protecting his trips on the turn.

Whoa whoa whoa. AK and pairs are in his range...maybe, but there was no preflop reraise, making JJ+/AK very unlikely. TT is a possibility but there is only one combo of that left in the deck. It is much more likely that we are facing a boat from JT/QT or something like that.

We're talking NL50 here. And a lot of weak players limp with JJ - AK. They think they're being tricky. I occasionally limp with AK myself to mix it up.

JT/QT is a good analysis - some looser players would call with those hands to a PF raise.

Still it's interesting to think, why does Chamanide get it all in on 4th when he's got a full boat? He should just call then try to get it in on the river.

I understand we're talking NL50. I have 7 students playing NL25 and NL50 right now so I have a pretty good feel for the games, just so you don't think I'm stuck up on my SSNL high horse. People MIGHT flat JJ+/AK preflop to be tricky, but thats like 1% of the time they flatcall.

I don't think the fact that you have bottom straight matters a lot here. Villain is unlikely to have AK for the higher straight. JJ and QQ are also not very likely because he would have reraised you pf. (same for AK)

Villain can very well have QT or JT here, but given the fact that he's aggressive he could also be doing this with a hand like T9 or T8. He could very well have 98 as well.

I'm leaning toward a call here because I think villain is more likely to raise you on the flop with QT or JT. It is a drawy board and he would not be happy to give a free card, or risk an action-killing card on the turn. So most likely he called you with T9 or T8 and now he's protecting his trips on the turn.

I'm not sure J,10 raises this flop or ptotection because either I have a hand and if that's the case I have his bottom two pair crushed or I don't have anything so he has nothing to protect. When playing Q,10 and J,10 were the only hands I was putting him on. A hand like A,10 or 9,10 makes sens too. Anyways it seems pretty close between a call and a fold.

I don't think the fact that you have bottom straight matters a lot here. Villain is unlikely to have AK for the higher straight. JJ and QQ are also not very likely because he would have reraised you pf. (same for AK)

Villain can very well have QT or JT here, but given the fact that he's aggressive he could also be doing this with a hand like T9 or T8. He could very well have 98 as well.

I'm leaning toward a call here because I think villain is more likely to raise you on the flop with QT or JT. It is a drawy board and he would not be happy to give a free card, or risk an action-killing card on the turn. So most likely he called you with T9 or T8 and now he's protecting his trips on the turn.

I'm not sure J,10 raises this flop or ptotection because either I have a hand and if that's the case I have his bottom two pair crushed or I don't have anything so he has nothing to protect. When playing Q,10 and J,10 were the only hands I was putting him on. A hand like A,10 or 9,10 makes sens too. Anyways it seems pretty close between a call and a fold.

It is not a case of way ahead or way behind for villain. You can very well be betting this flop with AQ, AA, KK. Those are hands that he's ahead of, but you have a lot of outs against him or if a scare card like a 9 or 8 comes on the turn he's not going to get more action from you. So I think raising the flop is a logical move for villain if he has QT or JT.

Of course, there's a good chance that his thought process might not be on this level at all....