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The villian is 23/17/ and 7.2% 3bet range (over 714 hands). He is a regular I would say.

My thought process was like this: If he had a set, wouldnt he reraise me on the flop or turn? And if he had a overpair wouldnt he reraise me on the flop ? "ah what the hell lets shove and hope he folds"


Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.50(BB)
SB ($50)
Hero ($57.90)
UTG ($51.50)
UTG+1 ($52.25)
CO ($147)
BTN ($78.81)

Dealt to Hero K T

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $2, fold, Hero raises to $6.25, BTN calls $4.25

FLOP ($12.75) 2 4 3

Hero bets $9, BTN calls $9

TURN ($30.75) 2 4 3 5

Hero bets $16, BTN calls $16

RIVER ($62.75) 2 4 3 5 9

[color=red]Hero bets $26.65 (AI)

I would give up on the river. It is possible that villain floated the flop with overcards and a wheel draw so Ax is probably in his range. I don't think you have a lot of fold equity on the river either. Your bet is less than half pot so villain is getting a good price.

I would give up on the river. It is possible that villain floated the flop with overcards and a wheel draw so Ax is probably in his range. I don't think you have a lot of fold equity on the river either. Your bet is less than half pot so villain is getting a good price.

But you would bet the turn? If you bet, what amount?

I'm not sure. I think it is player dependent. Do you think he has a lot of Ax in his range when he calls the flop? If he does I probably would not bet. Also, do you think he raises or flats pocket pairs on the flop? If he flats them you might be able to get him off some of them because Ax is certainly in your range as well.

Flop and turn seem standard you picked up equity on the turn so I like the barrel.

I'm not wild about the river. I agree sets and over pairs probably raise sooner. I'm not expecting many one pair hands that aren't overpiars. A hi isn't going anywhere though and you have K hi so you aren't targeting that many hands. KcQc, KcJc and maybe 77/88 seem like about the only hands that beat you that might fold. I'm not sure that is enough of his range.

But you would bet the turn? If you bet, what amount?

As played I don't mind betting the turn for value since you have implied odds and there are tons of hands he would call the turn and even pay you off on the river.

The river bet is something I have an issue with. The only hands in his range at this point you could get him to fold are too small of a portion of his range especially since it is only costing him ~$26 for about ~$80 pot. an Ax combo he could have floated is an incredibly strong part of his range more so than overs but there are some over pairs he could have which he is getting a good price to call.

It's NL50 also and most regs like me would slow play a made straight on this turn since after you bet OOP you have such a small stack remaining I will be able to get it all in on the river anyway with such a sizeable pot and small amount left over and I don't mind letting you see a free card since it might help you consider paying me off even more. Plus, slow playing I think has more value since i don't think you would call a raise on that board without holding an Ax and would fold overs but call with all those on the river especially if you thought I wouldn't slowplay a straight on the turn and was weak.

gna' mean?

I like the turn barrel since we're quite likely to have an ace and he is moderately unlikely. But when that gets called I get confused. From the flop i think he is unlikely to have an ace, but i fail to see QQ or TT or something calling the turn. If he's a reg, he rarely has sets. So maybe clubs? But if he has clubs, I think he is somewhat likely to have A

I'm pretty much confused, but i think there's a good enough chance he has an ace, and even if he doesn't we're not betting big, so if he called the turn he'll quite likely call the river, too. So i don't jam the river.

Thx for your help. I should probably not have bet the river the more I think about it. Next time in this spot I will try to stop and think more.

It feels like my emotions got to me on the river thinking: "how is the only way to win this pot" and the answer was a bluff. Fishy thought indeed.

He ended up folding the river.

I think the reason you had such awkward stacks for a river shove was your pf and flop sizing... just too big imo. no need to make it 6.25 pre -- 5.50 to a 2$ open seems fine enough. He opened to 4x from the btn.. seems kinda weird, but i think 6.25 is way too big considering he will call with the same range whether or not you make it 5.5 or 6.25, and as long as we didn't minraise his perception of our range is probably staying the same as well.

On the flop there is no reason to bet 9$ because he simply will not fold Ax, clubs, 55+. If all we are trying to do is make him fold pure air, 1/2 pot or even slightly less will do the trick. On the turn betting seems awkward because he is never folding Ax, 55 and of course not 66, however I think it's more likely he will pay off a betbetbet moreso than a bet c/c lead line with anything other than Ax.

Once we get to the river I simply cannot see him folding anything at all unless he took a passive line with clubs.

All in all I think that with what we are holding giving up the river has to be the best play, cause it's hard for him to get to the river here without a made hand. Work on your sizing a bit to make these bluffs cheaper for next time because we want to have more money left to win when we actually spike, and less money going in when we are semibluffing.

This is a bad spot to bluff vs most villains. Consequently, it's a great spot to value bet. Villain will put you on missed flush draw a lot.

This is a bad spot to bluff vs most villains. Consequently, it's a great spot to value bet. Villain will put you on missed flush draw a lot.

Why is it a great spot to value bet with air ? I dont understand your comment.

Why is it a great spot to value bet with air ? I dont understand your comment.

Not with your hand. I meant in general.