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BvB. villian is 22/19, AG 2.0, 3bet 18.2% (13% from BB). after a line check. this worth 4betting? and is the fold ok?

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NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
Hero ($9.97)
BB ($34.45)
UTG ($5.37)
UTG+1 ($7.24)
CO ($5.85)
BTN ($3.63)

Dealt to Hero Q Q

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.20, BB raises to $0.60, Hero raises to $1.30, BB raises to $34.45 (AI), fold

BB wins $2.60

Looks fine, without dynamics being 200bb deep, I would say you are flipping at the very best...

Not sure if I would 4-bet this preflop, against an aggro villain with high 3-bet I am fine with calling and letting him barrel.

I don't think folding QQ BvB is ever gonna be the best move(100bb). But since you are pretty deep with this guy, I think that 4betting isn't the best way to play QQ because we aren't gonna be happy stacking off so deep. Just call the 3bet and play some poker

I don't think folding QQ BvB is ever gonna be the best move(100bb). But since you are pretty deep with this guy, I think that 4betting isn't the best way to play QQ because we aren't gonna be happy stacking off so deep. Just call the 3bet and play some poker

What is the plan for playing QQ OOP in a 3bet pot if an overcard comes?

Why did you min raise open? i havent played rush ring games in a few months. Is this standard now?i would have just 3xed.

Yah your in the SB, i would maybe even 4x the SB into the BB. Just in general being OOP i would wanna tighten his a bit.

And why did you 4 bet so small? I mean calling wouldnt be bad. 4 betting isnt bad.

I may be in the minority here, but in a 5nl ring game, i dont think i fold to a 5 bet shove. If villain 3bets 18.2%, he is 3betting a lot. so he could be semibluff shoving a wider range then i think you would expect. suited A J+, AQ off, maybe even 10's (idk know about this bc it is sticky) probably JJ,+ i mean we have decent equity.

Plus it is rush, and since it is rush and villain seems to be decent and aggressive, i would say he is expecting a decent amount of folds here. I would stack off.

Folding is also a reasonable play. but given how much is in the pot, idk if i can do it.

What is the plan for playing QQ OOP in a 3bet pot if an overcard comes?

Well, this depends a lot on the flop structure / his bet sizing / etc. (and if the Q also flopped ).

But in general, I think we will c/c at least once and see what will he do on the turn. Given that this is rush and we are deep, I will expect villain to play more straightforwardly, not pulling lots of 3-street bluffs, etc.

Anyway, we'll have to play some OOP poker...

If the stats are deep enough we have to be prepared to call the 5bet shove in a BvB against someone who 3bets 13% from that position.
We can consider folding QQ against a super nit.
Villain dependent poker!

Well, this depends a lot on the flop structure / his bet sizing / etc. (and if the Q also flopped ).

But in general, I think we will c/c at least once and see what will he do on the turn. Given that this is rush and we are deep, I will expect villain to play more straightforwardly, not pulling lots of 3-street bluffs, etc.

Anyway, we'll have to play some OOP poker...

why do you wanna play a hand when we easily can get moved off when overs come against an aggro villain who will barrel regardless of his hand?

I probably would not 4-bet to begin with with these stacks unless you are content with getting it in.

What orange said. Don't put yourself in a spot where you have to 4 bet fold a hand like this. 100bbs deep this would be an easy stack off pre here it's not as easy.

Also you made the spot even worse with your min open and dinky 4 bet.

What orange said. Don't put yourself in a spot where you have to 4 bet fold a hand like this. 100bbs deep this would be an easy stack off pre here it's not as easy.

Also you made the spot even worse with your min open and dinky 4 bet.

yah i mean because you seem so weak this is another reason i call the 5 bet, it looks like you are dinking around here.

Why did you min raise open? i havent played rush ring games in a few months. Is this standard now?i would have just 3xed.

i didn't. it's a 5c table, and i bet 20c. so thats 4xBB.

What orange said. Don't put yourself in a spot where you have to 4 bet fold a hand like this. 100bbs deep this would be an easy stack off pre here it's not as easy.

Also you made the spot even worse with your min open and dinky 4 bet.

it's not a min raise PF, it's a 4x PFR. and the 4bet is just over 2x his 3bet (which i thought was in the realms of normality). maybe i can make it $1.5, but i doubt he's gunna play it any different. people dont 4 or 5bet shove that deep unless they wanna play for all of it. and his 5bet shove was pretty much instantanious.

but you dont know if thats the case until it happens. but i can understand that you dont wanna play for stacks every time in this spot (didn't mention it, but the sample was under 100 hands if i recall).

it's not a min raise PF, it's a 4x PFR. and the 4bet is just over 2x his 3bet (which i thought was in the realms of normality). maybe i can make it $1.5, but i doubt he's gunna play it any different. people dont 4 or 5bet shove that deep unless they wanna play for all of it. and his 5bet shove was pretty much instantanious.

but you dont know if thats the case until it happens. but i can understand that you dont wanna play for stacks every time in this spot (didn't mention it, but the sample was under 100 hands if i recall).

My bad on saying it's a min raise pre.

I think when you are deeper you can 4 bet a little more.

4 bet a little bigger.. id respect the mega deepstack's shove tho..