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Hi,

about villain: SB 24/19/8,1 (VPIP/PFR/3bet)
BB 63/11/2,6



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Hero (UTG): $50.00
CO: $50.00
BTN: $18.50
SB: $53.25
BB: $148.55

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with Q Q
Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, SB raises to $6, BB calls $5.50, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($18.00) 3 3 5 (3 players)
SB bets $12, BB calls $12, Hero requests TIME, Hero calls $12

Turn: ($54.00) K (3 players)
SB bets $35.25 all in, BB folds, Hero requests TIME,







preflop: I assume he has a pretty wide range. 99+, ATs+, KJs+, QJs, JTs, AJo+, KQo

Flop: Though villain tends to likes cbetting in 3 bet pots (100% 8 times 627 hands), I don't think he will cbet pure air here, given the fact that the fish came along.

99+, AsKs, AsJs, AsTs, KsJs, JsTs


Turn: I don't think that he will bet 99-JJ on this card against two opponents.

My question: What if the fish wouldn't be involved in the hand? Villain might consider the K as a scarecard for me.


Would the turn be a call?

i raise small on the flop as semibluff

I'd 4 bet pre. There is likely value from the TAG and who knows that the BB will call a 4 bet with.

Then I'd shove the flop. There is getting to be too much money in the middle to mess around any more.

Turn if your read is correct stove the range and determine if it's a call. I'd guess it's possible for him to cbet with air. Yeah there is a fish, but it's also 533.

I'd 4 bet pre.

This.


As played I think this is an easy fold. I would weight Kx as very high in SB's range given his preflop 3!. I know we put people on ranges, not hands, but this just screams to me of AK or AA and nothing else. Even a set of 5's would not be played this quickly.

I just don't see anything we are beating here.

i think it's just a fold on the turn. i might consider just shipping the flop.

like you played preflop, I would raise the flop.


But I think that a 4bet pre would be better. Big deal if sb folds and bb calls

I'd 4 bet pre. There is likely value from the TAG and who knows that the BB will call a 4 bet with.

How often do you get people 3-betting your UTGs OOP with anything less than QQ+/AK at 50nl?

Also, jam flops imo.

Hi,

IMO SB can not be 3B you light in this spot. He is TaG (acording to his stats), his 3B is rather high but no enormus :-) and (most importaint), he has got loos fish behind him. So 3B light here in this spot will not work. IMO he is holding here some premium hand QQ+, AK. I would say AQ if yours F23B is very high, than he might by trying to get into the fish with strong hand and kick you out of the hand by 3B.

I would also take gameflow under consideration. Was BB calling 3B like crazy befor? If so, than his range should definetly be crushing QQ.

Despite of that after calling PF I think R AI on the flop should be profitable. There is 16 combinations of AK, 6 combinations of AA and 6 of KK. So you are far ahead against AK (75/25 -> 16) and way behind against KK+ (10/90 -> 12). Still there is some complet air in his range. We have fish calling 3B so he might be taking some A/K outs. There is already nice pot of deadmoney and noone has comited yet... I would R-AI flop! If you fail... U still have fish to get your money back in next hand :-)

What do you think about it?

Hi,

IMO SB can not be 3B you light in this spot. He is TaG (acording to his stats), his 3B is rather high but no enormus :-) and (most importaint), he has got loos fish behind him. So 3B light here in this spot will not work. IMO he is holding here some premium hand QQ+, AK. I would say AQ if yours F23B is very high, than he might by trying to get into the fish with strong hand and kick you out of the hand by 3B.

I would also take gameflow under consideration. Was BB calling 3B like crazy befor? If so, than his range should definetly be crushing QQ.

Despite of that after calling PF I think R AI on the flop should be profitable. There is 16 combinations of AK, 6 combinations of AA and 6 of KK. So you are far ahead against AK (75/25 -> 16) and way behind against KK+ (10/90 -> 12). Still there is some complet air in his range. We have fish calling 3B so he might be taking some A/K outs. There is already nice pot of deadmoney and noone has comited yet... I would R-AI flop! If you fail... U still have fish to get your money back in next hand :-)

What do you think about it?

How often do you get people 3-betting your UTGs OOP with anything less than QQ+/AK at 50nl?

Also, jam flops imo.

Well my sample size is pretty dinky (in 40,000 hands I've gotten 3 bet when in UTG and got to showdown 11 times).

1) - 17/12/6 BB 3 bets KQs
2) - 20/20/16 SB 3 bets TT
3) - 90/7/20 BTN ATs
4) - 52/5/6 BB - 66
5) - 38/30/10 BTN - KJo
6) - 29/27/10 CO 3 bet folded after a maniac 4 bet
7) - 27/22/11 SB - QQ
8) - 46/15/12 CO - KK
9) - 24/2/3 CO - JJ
10) - 47/25/25 - KTo
11) - 89/60/25 - 56o

So that proved pretty much nothing since most were spazzy players. There was a KQs, TT, and 3 bet fold from Taggish people, but sample is way too small. I did have a few other examples of TAGs 3 bet folding when I had AA, KK etc.

So I'm not sure but I think he can be wider than QQ+/AK here and have JJ, TT, and AQ some of the time. He has TAG stats, but we don't know he's good, plus with the BB call there is even more dead money than a typical 3 bet pot.

what's the sample size. Stats are nothing if we don't know what they're based off.

4bet preflop looks interesting, and yes, i ship the flop rather than flat given the size of the pot.

It would be interesting to know what stats you were playing, but I don't see his 3bet range being as wide as you think it is. Most regs aren't launching at UTG raises with suited broadways/AT hands - unless you are very loose.
I agree with the shove flop line. Presuming that you're not set mining with QQ that is a good flop to value bet.
I think given the way hand has played and arrival of K, turn is a fold.

Afaik there was no 3betting history so far. I play 20/17/6,1 and fold to 3 bets about 60% of the time. I had over 600 Hands on the BB and about 2k hands on the SB so the stats were live.

Hi,

IMO SB can not be 3B you light in this spot. He is TaG (acording to his stats), his 3B is rather high but no enormus :-) and (most importaint), he has got loos fish behind him. So 3B light here in this spot will not work. IMO he is holding here some premium hand QQ+, AK. I would say AQ if yours F23B is very high, than he might by trying to get into the fish with strong hand and kick you out of the hand by 3B.

I would also take gameflow under consideration. Was BB calling 3B like crazy befor? If so, than his range should definetly be crushing QQ.

Despite of that after calling PF I think R AI on the flop should be profitable. There is 16 combinations of AK, 6 combinations of AA and 6 of KK. So you are far ahead against AK (75/25 -> 16) and way behind against KK+ (10/90 -> 12). Still there is some complet air in his range. We have fish calling 3B so he might be taking some A/K outs. There is already nice pot of deadmoney and noone has comited yet... I would R-AI flop! If you fail... U still have fish to get your money back in next hand :-)

What do you think about it?

I expect his 3betting range to be wider than QQ+ and AK. He might expect me to fold a fair amout of the time and the BB is capable of calling with hands like small to medium pocketpairs, suited connectors/ one gappers and stuff like that which a lot of broadways and pocket pairs perform well against.


On the flop I considered shoving, but asked myself the question: What worse hand than would call? The fish is defenitely capable of calling a lot of worse hands but I doubt that SB would call with a hand like 99-JJ.

I think the range you gave him preflop is too wide. I agree with some posters that his range is QQ+,AK, cause you're raising utg. Unless there is some wild 3 bet dynamic going on I would shove and hope he has TT+ in his range or else I would fold it preflop. You think this is too nitty?
Btw as played I would call the flop, thinks its too thin to raise and fold K turn.