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Entraction $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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Hero (BB): $67.30
UTG: $21.86
CO: $76.90
BTN: $4.78
SB: $54.63

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with 5 5
UTG calls $0.50, CO raises to $2.25, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.75, 1 fold

Flop: ($5.25) 4 8 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $3.93, Hero raises to $9.50, CO calls $5.57

Turn: ($24.25) T (2 players)
Hero bets $19.00, CO calls $19

River: ($62.25) 7 (2 players)
[color=red]Hero

Opp is 18-12 fold to check raise 42% fold to turn bet 31% WTS 22
He is a winner with around 1.2bb on 64k hands
How do we play?

You c/r is too small. I'd make it at least 12.

With regular stacks I'd shove the turn, but you are kind of deep so I'd probably bet big enough to get good value from draws and make the river kind of trivial.

As played I'm not sure, but it's gross.

You c/r is too small. I'd make it at least 12.

With regular stacks I'd shove the turn, but you are kind of deep so I'd probably bet big enough to get good value from draws and make the river kind of trivial.

As played I'm not sure, but it's gross.

Agreed, I mean this bet sizing is setting up an extremely awkward river because there's still 72bb to play for, and he can get away from a lot of hands.

Make the flop raise bigger as suggested.

As played, he could have an overpair, he could have overcards that rivered a flush, a 6x hand is unlikely.

It is a case of whether you think he can call off the river with an overpair, and I doubt he does to be honest, but I also think he checks back an overpair as well on this river, very sick spot

I think its just a check fold on the river.

His range is flush draws and overpairs, and he doesn't bet overpairs on the river when you check. He's really likely to have an overpair as he shouldn't be calling the turn with a flush draw, the only 6 that's possible is 67, which is still very rare. Overpairs fold this river when you bet and they don't bet when you check. So when he puts money in the pot he has a flush.

So yeah, check fold imo.

I think its just a check fold on the river.

His range is flush draws and overpairs, and he doesn't bet overpairs on the river when you check. He's really likely to have an overpair as he shouldn't be calling the turn with a flush draw, the only 6 that's possible is 67, which is still very rare. Overpairs fold this river when you bet and they don't bet when you check. So when he puts money in the pot he has a flush.

So yeah, check fold imo.

+1

I think its just a check fold on the river.

His range is flush draws and overpairs, and he doesn't bet overpairs on the river when you check. He's really likely to have an overpair as he shouldn't be calling the turn with a flush draw, the only 6 that's possible is 67, which is still very rare. Overpairs fold this river when you bet and they don't bet when you check. So when he puts money in the pot he has a flush.

So yeah, check fold imo.

But could you have the discipline in game to check fold, could he bet an overpair? I agree with you but very hard in game

I think its just a check fold on the river.

His range is flush draws and overpairs, and he doesn't bet overpairs on the river when you check. He's really likely to have an overpair as he shouldn't be calling the turn with a flush draw, the only 6 that's possible is 67, which is still very rare. Overpairs fold this river when you bet and they don't bet when you check. So when he puts money in the pot he has a flush.

So yeah, check fold imo.

+2

what's even sicker is that it would be hard to put a decent blocking bet with ~$30 behind in a $60+ pot

But could you have the discipline in game to check fold, could he bet an overpair? I agree with you but very hard in game

Absolutely agree, it's way easier when there's no call or bet buttons in front of you.

Absolutely agree, it's way easier when there's no call or bet buttons in front of you.

You could even make an argument for donking this flop.

I don't think he's calling these bets w/ a flush draw. I say bombs away on the river. F*ck him and his over pair.

I don't think he's calling these bets w/ a flush draw. I say bombs away on the river. F*ck him and his over pair.

kindve might thought as well... i might just say fuck it and shove.

kindve might thought as well... i might just say fuck it and shove.

Could you perhaps explain this a bit more? Specifically, why you don't think he's calling with a flush draw?

It seems to me that unless he is very good, he's going to check behind this river with overpair-strength hands, rather than turn them into bluffs realizing both the unlikelihood that we have a flush ourselves and the unlikelihood of his winning at showdown vs anything but weird and worse overpairs we might have. (In practice, even if he is good enough he may not turn those kinds of hands into bluffs on the river with the low SPR, thinking we'll never fold, I think.) The gap between his PFR and VPIP may even be a fair indication of passivity, although I don't know how much stock to put into that notion.

If I'm playing well, I think this is a disgusted c/f. I just want to find out why, when I'm playing well, I might not really be playing that well. (But if I don't think I can lay it down, shove river obv.)

Easy c/fold to shove IMO. He isn't turning an overpair into a bluff.
It only gets gross when he bets like $6 into you.


I dont see why FDs aren't in his range.

Party Poker $50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 893825
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SB: $110.18
BB: $55.31
UTG: $154.36
MP: $30.98
CO: $69.13
Hero (BTN): $54.57

MP posts a big blind ($0.50)

Pre Flop: ($1.25) Hero is BTN with K T
1 fold, MP checks, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2, SB calls $1.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($5.00) 4 J 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB raises to $8.50, Hero calls $5.50

Turn: ($22.00) K (2 players)
SB bets $14, Hero calls $14

River: ($50.00) Q (2 players)
SB bets $85.68 all in, Hero calls $30.07 all in

Final Pot: $110.14
SB shows 6 6 (three of a kind, Sixes)
Hero shows K T (a flush, King high)
SB wins $55.61
Hero wins $107.14
(Rake: $-52.61)

I dont see why FDs aren't in his range.

It's not that they're not in his range, its that largely they shouldn't be. Though you are right that Tx of clubs may be. If he's got a bare nut flush and he's 100& guaranteed to get the rest of your stack when he hits, he's still not getting the correct odds to draw on the turn.