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Villian was 24/11/2.0 3bet 3.7 over 200 hands. He was a weak-tight fish, i had towned him a few times.
My question about this hand is when he raises this river, what kind of range can we put him on considering how he played the rest of the hand.


Absolute Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 138448
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CO: $3.99
BTN: $23.72
Hero (SB): $86.02
BB: $53.56
UTG: $46.17
MP: $48.92

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with A J
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, 1 fold, BTN raises to $1.10, Hero calls $1, 1 fold, MP calls $0.85

Flop: ($3.55) 2 J 3 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($3.55) 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, BTN bets $1.75, Hero calls $1.75, MP folds

River: ($7.05) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.50, BTN raises to $12, Hero ???

He didnt cbet this flop which is perfect to cbet at so I put his range on low PP and air really, nothing else. His half pot bet on the turn just screamed weakness so i chose to call b/c i figured he might bluff the river when he misses, a raise wasnt going to get me anywhere cuz he shoves with better and folds all his air.
Now when the board pairs on the river I feel i have the best hand 95% of the time here, so i had to ask the question, should i bet for value and get a call from his stubborn PP or do i check and hope he bluffs again.
I chose to bet this half pot amount for 2 reasons, 1)its small enough for almost ANY PP to call me based on the action. 2)maybe he would see this bet as weak and spaz out on me with a worse J or his low PP.

I was not expecting this kind of a raise from him though, what hands can we put in his range now that he does this.

Man I have no idea but I lead this turn always and if I don't I c/r this turn. As played, I don't know its probably a fold but this is absolute so I'd call a lot.

Strange line imo.
From my point of view, even the call preflop is questionable but as there is a limper in front, it seems alright.

You definitly have to bet the turn for value.
As played, I would call.

I didnt bet the turn for pot control, I also wanted to keep the fish(original limper) in the pot as long as possible also.

I didnt bet the turn for pot control, I also wanted to keep the fish(original limper) in the pot as long as possible also.

I don't agree with this thinking to be honest.

First of all, you really shouldn't be worried about pot control at all in this spot. The flop has checked through, meaning there's only going to be two streets of betting max in this pot which is perfectly fine, and with top pair top kicker pretty ideal in my view. You should be worried about value betting, not pot control here.

Also, the reason you want to keep the fish in the pot is so he can pay you off, so I don't think there's much point keeping the fish in the pot if the price you have to pay is not betting a hand that is extremely likely to be best. Again, you should be worried about value betting in this spot rather than keeping the fish in.

So I would definitely lead the turn. There are a lot of worse hand you can call with so you should bet.

However, as played, I think this is really strange. It's a really weird line for Villain to take if he's bluffing, and all you've got is a bluff catcher really.

I would really expect the Villain to bet most of his air on this flop, even three way. I would also expect him to bet his top pair/overpair type hands and don't see any reason why he would take this type of line with TT-44. I would also expect him to give up on the hand if he has air and has decided to check this flop, because if he has air, why would he give up the most likely opportunity he has to win the hand only to try to win it later when someone else has shown an interest in the pot, although it is possible, though in my view a little unlikely.

The big questions for me are, what are his cbetting tendencies and what are his slowplaying tendencies. This flop is so bone dry that he may slowplay a set here. Two pairs are extremely unlikely to the point where I would completely disregard them. Regarding his cbetting tendencies, is he the type of player to bet all his middle pair hands on this type of flop? I think most people would bet 44-TT on this board, but maybe he's the type to check back for pot control or because he doesn't see much value in betting.

Just because I think he's likely to bet almost all of his air/top pair tye hands, I think his range for checking back is most likely JJ, 33, 22, and TT-44, depending on the player. While you may think his turn bet looks weak, he might be just making a small bet for value with the deck crushed. I think he can definitely bet 88-TT on the turn got value, but I don't think he would raise the river with them.

Basically, I think his range on the river is completely polarised. I don't expect TAG-fish to be mixing up their play by checking back top pair type hands. So when he raises on the river, he's either got a monster i.e. 22, 33, 77, JJ, A3 (which I'd expect him to bet on the flop so I don't think is likely) , or a complete bluff. Given that TAG fish generally don't bluff raise the river, I think you're probably beat a large amount of the time. But on the other hand you're line looks really weak. You're getting about 7/4 to pick off a bluff which I don't think is great, given that this guy is a tag fish and for him to be bluffing he has to a)check air on the flop which I don't think is likely and b) read your hand which he may not be even trying to do and c)realise that you're range can't stand up to a raise and then d) be able to pull the trigger on the river.

Given all that I think I would just fold, until I find out he is capable of bluff raising the river when his opponent is weak, or capable of checking back middling strength hands for balance.

I didnt bet the turn for pot control, I also wanted to keep the fish(original limper) in the pot as long as possible also.

Why are you pot controlling when the pot is already controlled and you likely have the best hand here? Bet big for value on this turn and bet the river for value.

As played fold.

He didnt cbet this flop which is perfect to cbet at so I put his range on low PP and air really, nothing else.

I think when a tag doesn't cbet perfect flop it often means that have teh deck really crushed and understand it's hard for other people to have anything or they have low PP and fear the overcard wondering if they can get calls out of worse. So, I'd probably put his range on anything but air, as his air hands are going to want to bet to take it down: {22-JJ, Jx}.

I agree with TheGeek on the turn and river.

I haven't read any of the replies. All I can say is I hate your line. Preflop I 3bet vs a guy below my skill level, as played flop is ok I guess. I lead this turn 100% for value. And what are you doing on that river? It's pretty tough to assign a range here since your weak river lead might have induced something. If your read that he is weak tight is correct then his range is all the hands that have you beat.