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50NL - QQs vs multiple raises Preflop action


1BYONE

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$0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 138107
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SB: $26.53
BB: $61.74
UTG: $38.62
MP: $21.02
CO: $19.70
Hero (BTN): $96.65

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with Q Club Q Diamond
UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, CO calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.75, 1 fold, BB raises to $7, 2 folds, Hero raises to $22.75, BB raises to $61.74 all in, Hero folds

Final Pot: $46.75
BB wins $46.75
(Rake: $0.00)

Villain is VPIP 22 / PR 17 / 3Bet 11 / Sz 0 / Sample 175h

He is a nitty player and does not make any fancy stuff
I assume i took the right decision to fold pre because I am probably against AAs, KKs or AKs. He also snap moved all in. Btw i did not want to flip a $60 coin preflop.
What do you think?

Thank you Club

Posted over 2 years ago

hopscotch

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Btw i did not want to flip a $60 coin preflop.


Not to be an asshole, but you better get really used to it. I recommend becoming a degenerate gambler so you like to do it.

Posted over 2 years ago

1BYONE

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I recommend becoming a degenerate gambler so you like to do it.



I am not playing a tournament Hopscotch so i will not shove pre with my QQs. I know i am beat. If I start to gamble like that many times I will have big swing in my roll especially with QQs. I only gamble when I think i am in the best position to do it otherwise I lay down my hand.

Posted over 2 years ago

tubasteve

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I am not playing a tournament Hopscotch so i will not shove pre with my QQs. I know i am beat. If I start to gamble like that many times I will have big swing in my roll especially with QQs. I only gamble when I think i am in the best position to do it otherwise I lay down my hand.



the problem is even if you think his range is AA/KK/AK, you have to call due to pot odds. so thinking "i wont take a coinflip" is really bad logic, in fact you are losing money if you fold here in the long run.

additionally if you think your opponent will only shove with such a tight range, why are you 4-betting him preflop? almost no one will just flatcall when you have put so many chips in the pot, so 4-bet/folding QQ here turns your hand into a total bluff.

Posted over 2 years ago

1BYONE

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You definitely opening my mind

What should I do pre? Just call his raise and see the flop?

Thanks

Posted over 2 years ago

Sugar Nut

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Wow,

I strongly believe I butchered preflop in the QQ hand I posted a minute ago but this hand exceeds my level of horribad Wink (no offence dude, we all suck sometimes)

Seriously: DO NOT 4bet QQ (and especially not to a committing amount) if you don't plan to stack off. I mean I'm sure you knew before you 4bet that...

He is a nitty player and does not make any fancy stuff


So you can't really expect him to CALL your 4bet with worse hands. He's pretty much 100% shipping or folding (calling would be "fancy stuff")

You've just successfully turned QQ into 72o

EDIT: shoulda read Steve's reply before posting, as he pretty much says the same as I do. Sorry for repetition.

Posted over 2 years ago

ThatDeviant

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4bet folding QQ is horrible, man.

As played, get it in, the guy is far from a nit looking at his stats.

I'd also flat against this guy as his 3betting range is wide against a BTN isolate and you'd like to play vs his whole range and not just the top of it.

Posted over 2 years ago

Langerz

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Villain is VPIP 22 / PR 17 / 3Bet 11 / Sz 0 / Sample 175h

He is a nitty player and does not make any fancy stuff
I assume i took the right decision to fold pre because I am probably against AAs, KKs or AKs.



I agree with the analysis here. I'd flat but if you are 4 betting you definitely have to get it in.

One other question/potential leak given the quote above. If this guy is nitty, what are your stats? Those stats probably look like a lot like the people posting in this thread and I wouldn't call us nits. (of and my range here is more than AA, KK, AKs)

Posted over 2 years ago

ThatDeviant

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22/17 with a 9% 3bet is nitty now apparently Frown

(and i'm not even a stat whore!)

Posted over 2 years ago




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