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only got 25 hands on this guy 20/16 no info
is there a better way i can play this hand? in the past ive been giving this not much respect and leaking, so i just bend over here and take it untill im proven otherwise $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 816570
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MP: $50.00
CO: $15.60
BTN: $83.35
SB: $90.05
BB: $25.36
Hero (UTG): $95.59

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with K K
Hero raises to $1.75, MP calls $1.75, 3 folds, BB calls $1.25

Flop: ($5.50) 2 6 8 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.00, MP raises to $7, BB folds, Hero calls $4

Turn: ($19.50) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $10.00, Hero folds

Final Pot: $19.50
MP wins $18.53
(Rake: $0.97)

raise call a shove on the flop? pretty wet board, and i doubt villain is cold calling AA to be trappy. or bet fold turn? i mean check folding turn seems so weak imo. i probably call flop and bet fold turn.

raise call a shove on the flop? pretty wet board, and i doubt villain is cold calling AA to be trappy. or bet fold turn? i mean check folding turn seems so weak imo. i probably call flop and bet fold turn.

yeah after the hand i thought bet fold turn, it turns my kings into a bluff but i could get some info, i put him on 22-jj and suited cards, he could of had 99/10 10 and thought he was good the 3rd heart could of slowd him down

yeah after the hand i thought bet fold turn, it turns my kings into a bluff but i could get some info, i put him on 22-jj and suited cards, he could of had 99/10 10 and thought he was good the 3rd heart could of slowd him down

no not info,... bad way to think. we are betting turn for thin value. and yes it can slow him down and be a free river, where we still have showdown value.

no not info,... bad way to think. we are betting turn for thin value. and yes it can slow him down and be a free river, where we still have showdown value.

ok thin value/info lol

ok thin value/info lol

what info do we need, we know he can't raise worse, but he can call with worse. info is just a silly concept. i mean in the end we dont care if he may have a better hand because we probably check the river, and if he bets we know we are beat. i just dont understand what info your looking for. this kind of think will result in you not betting for thin value in spots because you just expect to get raised, which cause us to miss value. missing value in a hand is exactly the same as paying off bad the same dollar amount.

Can't the villain have enough combo draws here where just getting it in on the flop isn't a bad idea? Plus we don't know if he has 99-QQ here either so I think a lot of his semi-bluffing range we don't mind getting it in against and his "value" range has almost the same theoretical combos of sets vs overpairs as well as pair+draws like 7h8h, 8h9h, 7h9h, etc...

If it were the 2 of diamonds or something then I like calling a lot more, and probably b/f the turn because the number of draws he can have in his raising range is dramatically decreased.


edit: and also I'm probably betting a little bigger on the flop like 4-4.5

on hands like this when the board is wet we really need to decide villains range on the flop i think.
calling the raise is just burning money, if we can decide if villain ever raises worse than a set then we can get it in comfortably here, otherwise fold flop.

what info do we need, we know he can't raise worse, but he can call with worse. info is just a silly concept. i mean in the end we dont care if he may have a better hand because we probably check the river, and if he bets we know we are beat. i just dont understand what info your looking for. this kind of think will result in you not betting for thin value in spots because you just expect to get raised, which cause us to miss value. missing value in a hand is exactly the same as paying off bad the same dollar amount.

all im saying is on these tables if you show any sign of weakness they are looking to exploit it, if i would have bet out on the turn i have more of a chance of narrowing his range down by his reaction,

hands fine imo.

Andrew

Baluga if you read this again let's say both villains are tagish 20/18 players who probably won't call down here because they spend too much time on the dc forums and 2+2. What about checking back the flop since we're probably not going to get 3 streets of value here anyways? It also gives us a better chance to get 2 streets of value or 1 street of value from hands that wouldn't have called a cbet?

As played it looks fine and you don't want to raise the flop for info. You can get info on the turn and it's free.

Baluga if you read this again let's say both villains are tagish 20/18 players who probably won't call down here because they spend too much time on the dc forums and 2+2. What about checking back the flop since we're probably not going to get 3 streets of value here anyways? It also gives us a better chance to get 2 streets of value or 1 street of value from hands that wouldn't have called a cbet?

As played it looks fine and you don't want to raise the flop for info. You can get info on the turn and it's free.

you mean i should check call the flop and bet call the turn? i didnt raise the flop for info i was v-betting and dont want to get outdrawn for free

Baluga if you read this again let's say both villains are tagish 20/18 players who probably won't call down here because they spend too much time on the dc forums and 2+2. What about checking back the flop since we're probably not going to get 3 streets of value here anyways? It also gives us a better chance to get 2 streets of value or 1 street of value from hands that wouldn't have called a cbet?

As played it looks fine and you don't want to raise the flop for info. You can get info on the turn and it's free.

much of your value is coming from draws, value taht is significantly worse on later streets.

Andrew