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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by Joe Tall (Micro/Small Stakes)

59:20 Not sure if I misunderstood, but what did you mean Joe when you said "get AJ/AT/QJs out of there behind you"?

Aren't these exactly the hands that ARE going to call behind us?

those hands aren't the best examples of the types of hands that will fold often, but he's just saying that raising is good because we fold out some hands that have decent equity vs 55 and we can get better position or we can take it down pf

For the last hand with 55 on 322 flop, don't we think that between three of these guys, usually at least one is going to hold a PP(44 being the only one which we beat)? I know the result goes against what I'm saying, but I see this multi-way pot constantly at 25/50NL and with 4 guys in there, it is extremely rare that none of them have a PP.

I mean sure it is the best flop we can hope for aside from a 5, but 4 ways is it really that great of a flop? I actually thought this was a pretty easy C/F, as I'm also not very comfortable running a double barrel in a 4way pot. I can't see how betting $8 gets value from anything...at BEST we then have to double barrell against a range which could equally be overcards/pp's(one of which we are just value towning ourselves)...

edit: I guess my question is...how often do we have to get a fold out of all three players to make this a profitable c-bet? I just see other PP's flipped here sooooooooooooo often at these stakes.

cbetting the flop is def good here. It's not as likely as you might think that someone of the 3 holds a greater pair. you're prolly just running bad if you are constantly seeing better pairs here or playing in games with players that are tighter than what I'm seeing in these games.

For the last hand with 55 on 322 flop, don't we think that between three of these guys, usually at least one is going to hold a PP(44 being the only one which we beat)? I know the result goes against what I'm saying, but I see this multi-way pot constantly at 25/50NL and with 4 guys in there, it is extremely rare that none of them have a PP.

I mean sure it is the best flop we can hope for aside from a 5, but 4 ways is it really that great of a flop? I actually thought this was a pretty easy C/F, as I'm also not very comfortable running a double barrel in a 4way pot. I can't see how betting $8 gets value from anything...at BEST we then have to double barrell against a range which could equally be overcards/pp's(one of which we are just value towning ourselves)...

edit: I guess my question is...how often do we have to get a fold out of all three players to make this a profitable c-bet? I just see other PP's flipped here sooooooooooooo often at these stakes.

cbetting the flop is def good here. It's not as likely as you might think that someone of the 3 holds a greater pair. you're prolly just running bad if you are constantly seeing better pairs here or playing in games with players that are tighter than what I'm seeing in these games.

great vid jared and joe.

Dear sir, you do realize that to win $5.25 UI first we need to get to showdown and avoid a bluff/semibluff turn bet from him? And showdown is two freakin' cards away!!!

Yes ("Should we cbet just to take it down on the flop (don't let him draw to 6 outs?) and avoid getting bluffed on later streets? ") :-)

I see that it isn't easy to know when to call a bet on the turn and/or river without knowing his bluff frequency or any betsize tells...

Q 4 (A9s hand) is a total fail. i mean obviously raise to 4 is a lot better play than raise to 6-7 there just because if we get raised by blinds we have to fold and we just put extra money in pot when not needed....

Sorry so late guys, week from hell!


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