demo79
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Another great video Wot, it help me a lot with my thought process on the table.
I use something similar on these kind of situations (better than nothing i guess )but not as accurate as the real math, i list all of the possible hands in his range and see what hands im winning vs hands im losing or flipping and if hands i am winning are smaller number than the other side i would know im not getting even 30% percent equity (again this is mostly just based on feel and experience with pokerstove), but the way i do it doesnt account weighted possibilites of combos and the cards in my hand that block some of the villains out, and etc . Ill start using this method more and practice with it till i get a good feel of it.
Keep it coming.
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MickeyWins
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Wiltontilt....I wanna give this video like a 9!!! Its one of the best videos ever on DC.
granted it fits very well with were my NL game is, which is not that advanced.
however, I want to encourage all the admins making videos to use your "my thought process" example.
Getting a new poker tool(or in my case receipy for my cookbook) is great.
But you showing how this new tool fits into your decision, while perhaps seeming simple for you, is exactly what the student needs for a better understanding of the given principal.
I am hoping I can get DD or Entity and/or Danzasmack to do this "my thought process" kinda thing with hand/flop reading in limit. I will go post a request form them to watch or re-watch this technigue of yours.
ty so much....keep up the good work. I can't wait for the next one!
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WiltOnTilt
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tapped_out
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This is some crazy stuff WOT...I'm trying to digest it right now but I really don't see how I could go through that process and come up with an estimation in the amount of time we have online.
The tupac method might work live though, I could simply pop in his CD and let the table know I'll be ready in about 2 songs...after I get done calculating of course
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WiltOnTilt
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haha... yea man I understand the concern. Trust me, with practice you can get pretty good at it. Listen again to my "thought process" section at the end of the video. That thought process essentially follows TUPAC w/o explicitly saying "step 1", "step 2" etc.
You're right though, it would be tough to go through on a site that does not have the time-bank feature online. In a live game it should be doable. Hell everyone loves to pretend like they are on the WPT at the final table anyway, right? At least this will give you something to think about when everyone else assumes you're just "hollywooding" :-)
Good luck
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dzejkej
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TheProdigy
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I cannot find episode Three?
Edit: it just showed up when I did another filter? Some kind've bug or something because it wasn't on my filters at first(I just filtered videos for Mathematics, it wasn't there, then I took it off and filtered for Wilt videos and it didn't show up. Now it is there though)
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theRabidDoG
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ya this must be the best tip ive ever gotten in a poker video(!), and ive watched way over 100 vids on CR and deucescracked combined...
thx, cant w8 to watch the next one (and until i get better at estimating my eq quicker).
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entelechy
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reMAX21
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WOT, intense is an understatement. I think though that I came away an understanding of how an average math guy (myself) might be able to apply TUPAC. Please let me know if my simplification still works:
1) Using Pokerstove, memorize common post flop equities before playing (TP vs FD, TP vs OESD, OESD vs set). At least have them taped on your monitor or tattooed on your arm for live play.
2) Estimate (taking into account combos) the % of villain holding each range (50% he has FD, 25% he has set, 25% he has 2 pair)
3) Multiply equity by % of range for each range and add to get overall equity. (50% FD at 66% equity, 25% set at 2% equity, 25% 2 pair at 25% equity; when added together: .5*.66 + .25*.02 + .25*.25 which is 40% equity)
Am I using TUPAC right here? If so, I think that I could do this quickly after MUCH experience.
As an afterthought, I was laughing uncontrollably that 2 minutes prior to introducing TUPAC you were concerned that we would need to round 675 up to 700 and 325 down to 300 to add them up to get 1000. Steep learning curve in that 2 minutes.
Great video. That 45 minutes alone is worth an entire year subscription to DC!
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WiltOnTilt
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remax, that's basically it!
We're essentially trying to determine his range, (step 1), group up all the different hand types and think about their equities (step 2), consider any outlier hands and their likely equity (step 3) then do a weighted average based on how 'likely' (ie how many combos) each grouping has... and there's your estimate.
It takes a lot of work, and isn't a trivial process, but with work and time in pokerstove you can get pretty good at it.
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theRabidDoG
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maybe im too tired and missing something here. either way its not that important i just wanna make sure im not misunderstanding something. u said there are 3 ways to make 2 pair with 98s Wilt but since the 9c and the 8d is out there 98cc and 98dd is not a part of his range, so there are actually only 2 combos of 98s (98hh 98ss) riiiiiight?
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WiltOnTilt
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ya you're right, when i did that part i must have thought the board was Kd 9c 8c instead of Kc 9c 8d
Sorry about that. The oversight shouldn't change anything as far as the math/estimations go, but you're right that is a mistake. My apologies, and thanks for pointing that out.
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shark_fishin
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