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TPTK in 3 bet pot fold


ILIKEBEANS

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His flat 3 bet was very scary from the BB i think players do this genrally with hands like JJ QQ he plays 15/12 over 55 hands
bad fold or auto stack off?



Poker Stars $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 578899
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

BTN: $42.60
Hero (SB): $36.35
BB: $31.05
UTG: $62.90
MP: $50.60
CO: $36.55

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with A Heart Q Heart
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.50, BB calls $2.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($5.75) 9 Diamond 9 Heart J Club (2 players)
Hero bets $3.30, BB calls $3.30

Turn: ($12.35) Q Diamond (2 players)
Hero bets $7.50, BB raises to $25.25, Hero folds

Final Pot: $27.35
BB wins $26.05
(Rake: $1.30)

was this a good fold or to tight should i just stack off with TPTK in this spot?

Thanks Jacob.

Posted almost 2 years ago

Wordup8801

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I'd make this fold as well, I don't know what exactly he's playing like this except maybe JJ or QQ, but 15/12 is pretty tight and I don't expect this type of player to ever do this without having you crushed.

Posted almost 2 years ago

Win.by.TKo

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I guess the question is whether you think the villain was floating here. However, I agree that there are too many hands in his range that beat you at this point. A fold is best, but I am not happy about it.

Posted almost 2 years ago

ILIKEBEANS

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A fold is best, but I am not happy about it.

LOL nor was I.....

Posted almost 2 years ago

Steve!

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I think it's a good fold. If his range is about 88-QQ you have only 23% equity. Against 88-QQ and AQs range you have 27%.

Posted almost 2 years ago

ILIKEBEANS

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icechip

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oneillsurfer03

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id check here to rep hands that are giving up and snap river bets

Posted almost 2 years ago

Stoegi

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Wouldn't you be betting that Q,K high card on the turn a lot with air ? I mean not sure if we need to balance against this guy but still...

Posted almost 2 years ago

zenben

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really good fold-I'm impressed with your dicipline. It's an interesting spot, indeed. There are few players who can take this line with 88/TT. I really doubt he is flatting your 3bet with AJ (however it's a little too small-make it $3.00 OOP). At the same time, there are 0 9's in his range, and QJ is very unlikely. That leaves JJ+/AK/AQ. AK would probably have to have a sick read on you to make this play profitably, and I don't expect 15/12's to be exploiting tendencies and making moves post flop. AQ MIGHT be in his range, but I'm not certain how he plays post flop, so he might even fold the flop if he's weak/tight. That makes JJ+ the majority of his range. We are way behind, and have to be good more than 50% of the time to make our call profitable. It's a fold...just be glad you didn't ch/C and cry pot odds on a blank river!

Posted almost 2 years ago

ILIKEBEANS

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Thanks for the feed back you have been a great help

Posted almost 2 years ago

tubasteve

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if he can have KQ/QT folding is really bad

by my calcs you need 28% to call. here's a range that only includes a few combos of hands that we lose to (QTcc, QTss, KQcc, KQss):

Board: 9d 9h Jc Qd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 24.716% 23.72% 00.99% 167 7.00 { AhQh }
Hand 1: 75.284% 74.29% 00.99% 523 7.00 { KK-JJ, 99, KQs, QTs+ }


any hand that is willing to continue is probably going to shove, so i think giving him just QQ/JJ is way too tight. also we only have 55 hands on the guy so assuming he's a huge nit is probably a mistake. its pretty close but i am calling here. i didn't include a single combo of KQ/QT/AQ offsuit and i did include all 6 combos of KK, so if you start adding those offsuit floats with draws our equity gets a lot better.

edit: i just realized he cold called making this hand a bit trickier and removing some possibility of offsuit hands, but i still think i would get it in. people do weird stuff.

Posted almost 2 years ago

ILIKEBEANS

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As an unknown player and only having 55 hands would your standard to give the player credit if you havent seen him get out of line, or just think he is bad untill he shows you outherwise?

Thanks Jacob

Posted almost 2 years ago




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