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Hey,

Vilain is not a good player but a loosing lag running at 30/22/2.4 3B:15%.

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 565301
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MP: $62.20
CO: $50.00
BTN: $52.70
SB: $75.65
BB: $52.35
Hero (UTG): $214.55

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with T J
Hero raises to $1.75, 2 folds, BTN calls $1.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($4.25) 7 8 A (2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, BTN calls $2.50

Turn: ($9.25) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $6.50, BTN calls $6.50

River: ($22.25) J (2 players)
Hero bets $10.50, BTN raises to $25

Hero?

Any way of "systemizing" the decision?

Cheers

bet more on the flop, bet more on the turn, shove river. There are a lot more worse flushes and he's not full very often. Plus he might hero you with 8x or AJ.

dont like shoving here. Call seems fine.

Just to clarify, "shove river" means "shove after you've built the pot for a PSB on the river."

As played, it's a call or a fold depending on villain. Pretty close. His range here is probably boat/flush. And I'm not fully convinced he plays a baby flush this way.

Just to clarify, "shove river" means "shove after you've built the pot for a PSB on the river."

As played, it's a call or a fold depending on villain. Pretty close. His range here is probably boat/flush. And I'm not fully convinced he plays a baby flush this way.

there aren't really many combos of baby flushes anyway, just 59s, 56s, 46s, 36s, 26s, 45s, 35s, 25s, 23s, 24s, 34s, most of which he likely folds pre, or just smoothcalls on the river. of course there's really not that many combos of better flushes either but if we take boats into consideration i think we find a very close call.

Is PFR UTG with JTs with a LAG on the btn ok? I suppose if he's a bad LAG it doesn't matter, but if he is the type to 3bet light pre and raise flop cbets a lot/float our cbets and bet the turn if we check, is it profitable? I suppose it really depends on who else is at the table and his 3bet tendencies-I think it might be great if he likes to just call pre and there are loose passives in the blinds.

Is PFR UTG with JTs with a LAG on the btn ok? I suppose if he's a bad LAG it doesn't matter, but if he is the type to 3bet light pre and raise flop cbets a lot/float our cbets and bet the turn if we check, is it profitable? I suppose it really depends on who else is at the table and his 3bet tendencies-I think it might be great if he likes to just call pre and there are loose passives in the blinds.

JTs plays awesome in just about any situation so i wouldn't be worried, esp since he's not likely to fuck with us much when we're UTG

JTs plays awesome in just about any situation so i wouldn't be worried, esp since he's not likely to fuck with us much when we're UTG

Ok-I've always opened it as a standard from all pos but wasn't sure if it was appropriate here.

bet more on the flop, bet more on the turn, shove river. There are a lot more worse flushes and he's not full very often. Plus he might hero you with 8x or AJ.

Hmmm my thought behind the small cbet is that I make it the same on mono boards independent of my holding.

Ok against a bad lag cbetting more for value is fine I guess?

I don't understand why we would raise JTs from UTG....QJs maybe (though I wouldn't), but I don't understand JTs. We are often going to have middle pairs, top pairs that fear turn and river cards, a 2 pair that needs to be careful, or an open ended straight draw or flush draw which only has 55% equity at best. All of this OOP. Even when we hit our flush we can't be too happy, as there are stronger flushes and we are going to lose our stacks and say it was a cooler (which I don't believe it is). I just think it is pretty trash and I will raise CO, BTN, SB of course with it or smooth call from the BTN or BB with it, but I don't understand the UTG raise. If I had two really nitty blinds, I think it could be ok I guess, but even then I would prefer 98s or 87s which against MP, CO, and BTN I don't like at all.

Maybe I'm just a nit, , but please explain to me where I am off thinking JTs is -ev at 50NL UTG. I personally like to play marginal hands IP against bad players, and pass OOP.

Id bet more on the flop , bet more on the turn .
Set up pot size shove for river ,but I wouldnt then shove this river.
I'd check to induce a shove from a missed fd, or a value bet from a worse hand like AK-AJ or something

it is so difficult to flop a flush and not to mention flush over flush, so I am not even worry that he might have a bigger flush.
On the other hand he might have K or K/Q + a pair or something like and be drawing to the nuts.
He has some sets also of course but 8 just reduces combos of them.
I just bet bet big here and shove river.

And we have a draw to a straight-flush btw.

I don't understand why we would raise JTs from UTG....QJs maybe (though I wouldn't), but I don't understand JTs. We are often going to have middle pairs, top pairs that fear turn and river cards, a 2 pair that needs to be careful, or an open ended straight draw or flush draw which only has 55% equity at best. All of this OOP. Even when we hit our flush we can't be too happy, as there are stronger flushes and we are going to lose our stacks and say it was a cooler (which I don't believe it is). I just think it is pretty trash and I will raise CO, BTN, SB of course with it or smooth call from the BTN or BB with it, but I don't understand the UTG raise. If I had two really nitty blinds, I think it could be ok I guess, but even then I would prefer 98s or 87s which against MP, CO, and BTN I don't like at all.

Maybe I'm just a nit, , but please explain to me where I am off thinking JTs is -ev at 50NL UTG. I personally like to play marginal hands IP against bad players, and pass OOP.

Yeah i'm pretty sure you're a nit but just different play styles. Opening JTs UTG is pretty standard for me because it's a great hand that has a lot of flop equity. I mean the only instance where i am not opening this hand UTG is if i know i have a 3 bet happy LAG on the button that i know is going to 3 bet me a lot... In this case it's an easy fold. But JTs is a great hand that can connect with a lot of flops and it plays really well post flop. You just have to make sure you are good at playing post flop.... If post flop is a weak point for you then it's a good fold pre but if you are confident in your ability and you think you are a lot better at playing postflop then the villain then it's very profitable to play this hand UTG and in almost any position.

Yeah i'm pretty sure you're a nit but just different play styles. Opening JTs UTG is pretty standard for me because it's a great hand that has a lot of flop equity. I mean the only instance where i am not opening this hand UTG is if i know i have a 3 bet happy LAG on the button that i know is going to 3 bet me a lot... In this case it's an easy fold. But JTs is a great hand that can connect with a lot of flops and it plays really well post flop. You just have to make sure you are good at playing post flop.... If post flop is a weak point for you then it's a good fold pre but if you are confident in your ability and you think you are a lot better at playing postflop then the villain then it's very profitable to play this hand UTG and in almost any position.

Thanks for the comments. I am going to slowly try to add that to my UTG repertoire against a table with 1 to no maniac 3betters. For an observant TAG they may be less inclined to put that into my UTG range as well which would be great of course, but don't know, sounds like it is a pretty standard play I have missed. Thanks.

Thanks for the comments. I am going to slowly try to add that to my UTG repertoire against a table with 1 to no maniac 3betters. For an observant TAG they may be less inclined to put that into my UTG range as well which would be great of course, but don't know, sounds like it is a pretty standard play I have missed. Thanks.

i mean in the end it just depends on your skill advantage. if you're at a tough table, fold. if you're at a table of fish, being OOP doesn't really matter.