churbruv
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blah234
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don't fire again vs a fish. Against a thinking player if you don't bet turn it turns your hand face up but against a fish the optimum play is to check and if villan checks behind make a small value bet on the river. you can fold if villan bets out he's rarely bluffing here and doesn't think on the level of A is a good bluff card.
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irtoast
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I do not like your play on the flop. Since you are oop, I would of rather have seen a x/r x/c type of line. I do not like the donk bet. Looking at his stats 63/13, if he's raising with only 13%, I would put him on 7+ and any paint cards. I can see him limp calling pf with suited connectors and such, but not raising. This type of board imo did not hit him, unless he has an overpair. I would of rather seen a x/r and fold to a shove.
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tHeBoYmUsTdIe
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I think if we are betting this turn it's mostly to get JJ-KK to fold rather than for value though. He rarely has 9x or pairs + draws here since he raised UTG. Weighed out in my head though he is probably never folding a better pair and we're not too scared of giving a free card but the river bet will not be respected if we check back the turn so I barrel this and the river but Im agg so whatever.
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Tonic1223
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tHeBoYmUsTdIe
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Why are you donking?!? I like chk/call or chk/raise here vs a fish. Let him cbet his air/broadways/A high.
So check raise to get him to fold his overcards? Why would we want that?
Donking is 100% standard and the perfect play here imo because villain is going to float us with overs sometimes and raise us with better so by betting we play the hand perfectly. Check raise is really bad as we're only gonna get called by better and fold out worse.
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Tonic1223
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So check raise to get him to fold his overcards? Why would we want that?
Donking is 100% standard and the perfect play here imo because villain is going to float us with overs sometimes and raise us with better so by betting we play the hand perfectly. Check raise is really bad as we're only gonna get called by better and fold out worse.
LMFAO donking is 100% standard play here? ok man...sorry but all your advice just became null and void to me. Villain is a fish, and he isnt folding a hand like AK,AQ,KQ vs a chk/raise every time.
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tHeBoYmUsTdIe
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LMFAO donking is 100% standard play here? ok man...sorry but all your advice just became null and void to me. Villain is a fish, and he isnt folding a hand like AK,AQ,KQ vs a chk/raise every time.
I think donking is by far the best play. If villain is a fish villain will play his hand face up.
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churbruv
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Why are you donking?!? I like chk/call or chk/raise here vs a fish. Let him cbet his air/broadways/A high.
Basically because i thought he would check behind with his overcards but wwould call with them when I donked out. Does it change your line if he is likely to check behind in this spot?
What do people think about 3 betting pre?
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tHeBoYmUsTdIe
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Basically because i thought he would check behind with his overcards but wwould call with them when I donked out. Does it change your line if he is likely to check behind in this spot?
What do people think about 3 betting pre?
Meh. Raising is fine/flatting is fine. He's a fish but fish still only raise big-ish type hands. One + of 3betting is it allows you to take initiative in the hand and bet a wide variety of flops to win dead money.
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underscoredark
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you really think you should 3bet fold this hand? seems like such a waste.
i think if you 3-bet you have to get it in preflop.
with that said, i think both are alright, i'd probably rather just call pf since he's utg and his stats are a bit ? due to sample.
flop is whatever, c/r-ing or c/c-ing can both be considered. you can just c/c and let him valueown/spaz bluff himself away, donking is ok too.
as played, you can c/c c/c anything or b/f i think.
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