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FlyingMachine

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Villain: 187 hands, 21/16, fold SB to steal: 89%, 3bet from blinds: 5%, Flop c/r: 0/5, WtSD: 33%, W$SD: 63%, Fold to flop cbet from blinds: 2/4

Ongame Network $0.15/$0.30 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1865079
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BB: $31.30
UTG: $41.64
CO: $47.82
Hero (BTN): $49.50
SB: $29.70

Pre Flop: ($0.45) Hero is BTN with 6 Club 6 Heart
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, SB calls $0.60, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.80) 7 Diamond J Diamond 6 Diamond (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.50, SB raises to $5.55, Hero calls $4.05

Turn: ($12.90) T Heart (2 players)
SB bets $7.50, Hero raises to $43.20 all in

His c/r is pretty big, and he didn't c/r-ed before, it's a monotone board, so I don't think it's a pure bluff. He folds a lot from SB, and doesn't 3bet much, so his calling and flop c/r range on this flop could be: AdTd, AdQd, AJo with the nut FD, 77, JJ, and other flushes like KdQd, Td9d, 9d8d, and maybe the 7s6s. If he is flatting sometimes (rarely I think) with QQ, then QQ with the FD. Is this range correct? If it is, should we really fold the flop? Isn't that too weak? I called the flop, against the FD's, because that way if the 4th flush card comes, I can easily fold against agression, and I can go all-in with good odds, if blank turn comes. Against flush I'm behind, but if the turn is a J,7 or 6 (7 outs) I'm ahead and it's difficult to him to fold his flush. If he has JJ or 77, I'm dead. What you think about the whole hand?

Posted 10 months ago

Adriano85

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I really hate your shove on the turn. Villain never has 2pair on the flop so we can discount those holdings. There are no worse sets possible so when he takes this line with a set you're crushed since he will call your turn shove pretty often imo. Flushes will also snap. You're basicly protecting or value shoving (depends how YOU think about it) versus AdXx which might call your shove on the turn a % of the time but will never pay you of when he misses the flush when you just flat the turn. I don't think the % of the time villain is calling your shove with AdXx and don't beat you on the river is compensating for the times that you are already behind a lot. Even if you call the turn versus a made flush you can still get paid when you make a boat because the pot will be too big for villain to fold on the river. If villain is turning total air into a bluff (very unlikely but a possible scenario) on the flop you gain nothing by raising him out the pot. I just see too many downsides to your turn shove.

Posted 10 months ago

FlyingMachine

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Yeah, I think you are right. How would you played the hand against this villain? Call flop and call turn?

Posted 10 months ago

Adriano85

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I would call flop, call turn and evaluate the river.

Posted 10 months ago

threads13

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I would call flop, call turn and evaluate the river.



Evaluate river means "fold when he bets unless I improve", right? Smile

Posted 10 months ago

Adriano85

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Evaluate river means "fold when he bets unless I improve", right? Smile



Depending on betsize and river, yes. Whats your advice? Because with this question your not really helping OP. At least I'm trying to explain something and not answering a question with a question.

Posted 10 months ago

threads13

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Depending on betsize and river, yes. Whats your advice? Because with this question your not really helping OP. At least I'm trying to explain something and not answering a question with a question.




I'm just playing around... easy killer. Wink

But it wasn't just empty teasing... sure. The "call and reevaluate" should be an abolished phrase. No one should ever say it again... yet It gets tosses around in poker forums and 90% of the time people mean "I'm going to call and fold the river to a reasonable bet size". Just say that instead. It's my contention that people say "call and reevaluate" when they think folding is correct, but they don't want people to call them weak. Who cares? Say what you think it right.

I'd call with middle set+ on non diamond rivers. Call with 2nd nuts+ on diamond rivers. Call all boats, of course.

Posted 10 months ago

Adriano85

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Yeah I see your point. Calling and evaluating river could mean a lot of different things, based on peoples interpretation. I agree I could be more detailed and explain what I mean by that.

Posted 10 months ago

urb

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Reevaluating makes more sense if there are betsize considerations. Here he either checks or shoves so we should decide on the turn what is our plan for different rivers.

I think we can assume that he stacks off with his flush on every river. We are getting 4,84-1 including river betting so we are priced in to boat-mine (about breakeven). The times we get it in vs better boat and times he checks his bluff or semi-bluff and we win should roughly cancel out.

So I think it's breakeven call on the turn.

Posted 10 months ago

undercover brotha

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maybe just me but for me it's way easier to fall into the trap of leveling myself when I think I "reevaluate" the river

Posted 10 months ago




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