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mmakyyy7

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Hi guys please can someone give me a clue how to handle this situations. Is folding too weak ?? If we call what we are going to do on turn and river (I can´t imagine calling and then c/f or c/c turn and c/f riv.) What consideration we should do here thanks a lot

Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players - View hand 1859412
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CO: $10.00 - VPIP: 8, PFR: 8, 3B: 0, AF: Infinity, Hands: 24
BTN: $10.07 - VPIP: 11, PFR: 7, 3B: 2, AF: Infinity, Hands: 109
Hero (SB): $10.00
BB: $11.93 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 8, 3B: 0, AF: 2.3, Hands: 26

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with J Diamond A Spade
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.60) 3 Heart A Club 9 Heart (2 players)
Hero bets $0.40, BB raises to $1.20, Hero ????

Posted 9 months ago

Kayenta

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This my first post, I am inexperienced player.
Since you only have 26 hands on villain, I would assume he only has 26 hands on you. I would think, he thinks you SB raising range is fairly wide, and you hand is in the top of that range.

In this case, I would raise.

Posted 9 months ago

threads13

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Raising is a pretty big mistake here, imo.

One thing that a lot of 10NL players will do is raise things like ATo on this flop to "see where they are at". I think it's ok to peel and then XF turn. If he bets a range of <two-pair+, good draws> then you're not really in great shape there. He also sometimes calls flop or checks back turn with draws.

Folding the flop isn't horrible.

Posted 9 months ago

mmakyyy7

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Raising is a pretty big mistake here, imo.

One thing that a lot of 10NL players will do is raise things like ATo on this flop to "see where they are at". I think it's ok to peel and then XF turn. If he bets a range of <two-pair+, good draws> then you're not really in great shape there. He also sometimes calls flop or checks back turn with draws.

Folding the flop isn't horrible.


yeah isn´t peeling and then c/f to turn blank or whatever too weak and exploitable ??

Posted 9 months ago

threads13

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yeah isn´t peeling and then c/f to turn blank or whatever too weak and exploitable ??



1) Do you think this is the type to do that?
2) What range are you calling the flop with? What hands are you XC'ing turn with? How often are you folding the turn?

Posted 9 months ago

threads13

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Thinking "that feels weak so I better not do it" isn't a good way to think about poker.

Also, be exploitable means folding too often in this spot. That doesn't pertain to your hand. It pertains to your range. AJo is in the middle to bottom part of your flop calling range.

Posted 9 months ago

Nozzo

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This is definitely not easy. BB looks tight-passiv even with just 26 Hands on him. He probably had enough opportunities to openraise (he openraised roughly 2 Hands), since CO and BTN were also pretty tight so far.
Would be interesting to know if he raised or x/r post flop so far.

Im guessing but his preflop calling range could look like...

22+,A2s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,ATo+,KJo+,QJo (never 3bets)
or
JJ-22,AQs-A2s,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,AQo-A9o (3bets QQ+, AK)

His range for raising flop could look like...

AA,99,33,AKs,AhQh,AhJh,AhTh,Ac9c,Ad9d,As9s,Ah8h,Ah7h,Ah6h,Ah5h,Ah4h,A3s,Ah2h,KhQh,KhJh,KhTh,QhJh,QhTh,JhTh,Jh9h,AKo,A9o
or
99,33,AhJh,AhTh,Ac9c,Ad9d,As9s,Ah8h,Ah7h,Ah6h,Ah5h,Ah4h,A3s,Ah2h,KhQh,KhJh,KhTh,QhJh,QhTh,JhTh,Jh9h,A9o

In both cases folding flop is fine. Calling and x/f turn... i think we will face way too many bets on the turn. But maybe calling and b/f turn is an option, don't think he will raise with his FDs (or maybe its too late and im trying too hard to find a reason for calling).

Posted 9 months ago

mmakyyy7

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Thinking "that feels weak so I better not do it" isn't a good way to think about poker.

Also, be exploitable means folding too often in this spot. That doesn't pertain to your hand. It pertains to your range. AJo is in the middle to bottom part of your flop calling range.


sorry but you´ve missed my point I have never said that i will not to so sth just because X or Y i just did´t agree to you post but on the other hand thank for your comment but as I´ve said i disagree with you

Posted 9 months ago

urb

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I'm calling flop and turn in this spot. It's blind vs blind so people do crazy shit. If you call turn an he fires anyway you can be pretty sure he has you beat.

Posted 9 months ago

fezoff

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His range for raising flop could look like...

AA,99,33,AKs,AhQh,AhJh,AhTh,Ac9c,Ad9d,As9s,Ah8h,Ah7h,Ah6h,Ah5h,Ah4h,A3s,Ah2h,KhQh,KhJh,KhTh,QhJh,QhTh,JhTh,Jh9h,AKo,A9o
or
99,33,AhJh,AhTh,Ac9c,Ad9d,As9s,Ah8h,Ah7h,Ah6h,Ah5h,Ah4h,A3s,Ah2h,KhQh,KhJh,KhTh,QhJh,QhTh,JhTh,Jh9h,A9o



Surely this can't be right, he would raise AA and AK so we can take this out of his flop range. Also do you think that a player that is this passive would call or raise his draws?
I think I would be inclined to call and b/f turn

Posted 9 months ago

pokerlover

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would a great player raise AT+ on this flop? at merge it seems like only sets and maybe draws are raising.
will you make more money if you raise AJ+ on flops like this, because it seems at merge I am never stacking anyone with TP good kicker any more except once every 1000 hands

Posted 9 months ago

Nozzo

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Surely this can't be right, he would raise AA and AK so we can take this out of his flop range



Some ppl call AA and AK pre BvB, a few super passive players almost never 3bet. So it could be possible for him to have those hands. But it also doesn't really matter how his range really looks like as long he has a very tight range we are not in great shape here.

btw i included Jh9h that is of course impossible

Also do you think that a player that is this passive would call or raise his draws?



Good point... we can't be sure... maybe he is only raising with Axs.

Posted 9 months ago




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