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Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1855779
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BTN: $5.79
SB: $4.63
BB: $9.25
UTG: $15.41
MP: $10.31
Hero (CO): $16.61

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with T T
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, 1 fold, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.95) 8 3 T (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.68, BTN calls $0.68, BB calls $0.68

Turn: ($2.99) Q (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $0.50, BB calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

River: ($4.49) 4 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $4.29, BB folds, Hero???


both players are unknown but due to stack size probably no good regs. i think i should have cbetted bigger.
i block a big amount of Tx combos so when they call i put them on few Tx, 8x, gutshots, oesds, flushdraws

on the turn flushdraws and J9 got there also its probably hard to get value from 8x unless its with a flushdraw and also not sure if Tx calls now unless it has a flushdraw and i block a good amount of them anyway so the chance that someone got a flush or something that can't call a bet on the turn seems pretty high.

so i thought check/call depending on betsize would be best. what do you think?

turn was really tempting to raise. with his betsizing he reps something like a weak pair, a draw or the nuts that want to be tricky or just prevent us from folding. Villain has just 4.31$ left after betting the turn so it would probably not be a huge mistake to raise and get it in against him.
it would get a little ugly if the bigger stacked Villain came over the top but that seems unlikely.

river is a bit weird. i massively underrepresented my hand on the turn and he might have hands that still can be bluffing like 97, 69 and i would expect most Villains to bet their flushes bigger on the turn unless its the nutflush in a 3 way pot.

Your bet on the flop is way too small imo. I would bet close to pot and expect to get called by the same ranges as your current bet does. Also I would bet/fold or bet/call the turn based on the size of raise we face. I think there are enough worse hand that can call a turn bet. (sets, pairs+diamond, OESD, pair+gutshot etc.) When we get raised on the turn it's just math if we get the right price to call. If not, I think we can fold since we are pretty often crushed by a raising range for value.

I think I'd probably just bet/fold the turn vs. BB's raise and b/call vs. BTN's stack on the turn. As played...I don't know. I guess fold? I'm not sure.

hmm yeah bet/call vs the shorter stack and bet/fold vs the BB was my first thought too in game. but i am really not that sure i will get called by enough worse + i have to make a close fold (folding a good amount of equity) vs the bigger stack or commit me vs the smaller stack against very likely a flush if one of those shoves over my bet. and by checking and calling i still can see a turn and still stack flushes if i hit a boat and value bet good rivers if turn gets checked through. but still not sure especially when he bets that small if just check calling turn is good on such a board texture.

I think people are way too often afraid to be against a flush.
a) Flushes are hard to make, there are not many flushcombos
b) Even if villain has a flush we are not getting raised on the turn 100% of the time so we still can get called and river a boat
c) There are way more worse hands we beat then combos that beat us
I think this is enough to valuebet the turn.

First your bet sizing is okay on flop I probably would ellect to go bigger in this spot (.75-.80 cents sounds about right for me) I would barrell this turn for a couple of reasons.
1) I personally feel that checking is quite weak here and I would rather keep the initiative in this spot while my opponents can very likely hold and call with worse.
2)Checking here essentially puts you in a position were you will be giving up on almost all rivers and I guess some of these flops. Without learning anything about villains tendencies in these spots.
This would lead me to bet turn and reaccess on river. As played I guess you have to play the guessing game which in these spots I tend to lean towards fold until further evidence is presented.

I think people are way too often afraid to be against a flush.
a) Flushes are hard to make, there are not many flushcombos
b) Even if villain has a flush we are not getting raised on the turn 100% of the time so we still can get called and river a boat
c) There are way more worse hands we beat then combos that beat us
I think this is enough to valuebet the turn.

to a) both players are probably not regs and have likely a good amount of suited cards in their range. also i am up against two of them. also the relative amount of combinations flopped top pairs compared to flushdraws is lower because there are already 3 of 4 tens gone. i mean a lot of there players are calling stations but they are afraid of flushes too so when i barrel i doubt i will get called by 2nd/3rd or even weaker pairs unless they got a draw. also that the pot is already bloated increases my foldequity. i mean i still think i have the best hand on the turn a good amount of the time but i think i will not getting called by worse often enough. and against flushes check/calling just seems better.

to b) this is certainly true but there is a good chance we will get raised unless Villain has the nutflush. and by check/calling we never get raised.

c) i am not really sure about that. i mean as i said sure there are enough worse combos in Villains ranges but will enough worse call? but have the problem here that i don't know how to calculate if we still can valuebet when we are up against more than one player.

what is really bad about check/call imo is that hands that would call a bet and have some equity against us will often check behind. mostly pair+draws

First your bet sizing is okay on flop I probably would ellect to go bigger in this spot (.75-.80 cents sounds about right for me) I would barrell this turn for a couple of reasons.
1) I personally feel that checking is quite weak here and I would rather keep the initiative in this spot while my opponents can very likely hold and call with worse.
2)Checking here essentially puts you in a position were you will be giving up on almost all rivers and I guess some of these flops. Without learning anything about villains tendencies in these spots.
This would lead me to bet turn and reaccess on river. As played I guess you have to play the guessing game which in these spots I tend to lean towards fold until further evidence is presented.

to 1) sure i will get called by worse hands. but will i get calles often enough by worse? i think we have to look at their entire range. obviously its better to bet against the pair+draws part of his range. also its better against the oesd or combo draws Villains might have.
against the normal 2nd/3rd pairs i am not really sure. as i said i think they will often fold against a turn bet. but may call a riverbet after the turn got checked. but that is the part of their ranges i am most unsure about what they would be doing against a turn bet.
and against the flushes it is better to check/call. and against that part its probably the most critical what i am going to do. not sure how to say that. but its not a big disaster if i give a free card to the 2nd/3rd pairs or the draws because i will probably only get max 2 streets most of the time. or they might just bluff with their draws. but it is a disaster when i bet against their flushes on the turn.

to 2) i agree that there are a lot of rivercards that can come that suck for me and also agree that i am not gaining as much information as when i am betting the turn

and what would you do when i bet turn. do i shove river or check/fold?

i mean if i can still bet for value i totally prefer bet/fold or bet/call on the turn when i think they will call with worse often enough. i will try to figure that out in pokerstove.

BEt/fold is the best option, We can usually make our own price here for betsizing, instead of checking and having to call a bigger betsize then we normally would.We can still get value from hands betting...and we can easily fold to a RR.

By c/c we might have to call a betsize we dont want to or more then we expected, we also put ourselves in a sticky situation on the river cause we OOP and villain might bluff us off our hand.

As played should be a fold, looks like villain has a betsize tell.