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Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1847755
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BTN: $29.25
SB: $4.22
BB: $10.96
Hero (UTG): $11.64
MP: $7.87
CO: $7.15

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with K K
Hero raises to $0.30, 4 folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) 2 7 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.65) 3 (2 players)
BB bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

River: ($1.45) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60

Villain 8/8 after 24 hands

i think his range here is about 1/3 pocketpairs and 2/3 broadways that missed on the flop.

by checking flop i miss the opportunity to get 3 streets of value against 88-JJ if the boards runs out well (not sure how often that happens though)
also i am given Ax hands a shot at their free equity (but in this case he will not get more than one street of value against me)

but also i give him the chance to turn a dominated pair, value bet worse himself or bluff with his overcards when he misses.
and since a bigger part of his range is air on the flop and most of this air just has very small equity against my hand

is one of the option of cbetting or checking back flop way better here?

Think you have to be betting the flop there, as played the rest of the streets are fine as the board gets scary, but imo c-betting the flop has to be the way yo go as 95% of the time you have the best hand and you wan't to build a pot whilst you can...

I agree here with Hutcho. We need to extract value and charge him to draw to his set etc. I think you are better off inducing on the turn, anyways, if that is your plan. I definitely like a bet flop bet turn, and then depending on the river card betting when checked to, calling his bet, or checking river though.

Also, I think that an 8/8 type player is probably multi tabling, and not taking as many creative lines or as aware of whats going on at all his tables, which makes me believe that his turn bet is rarely a semi bluff and on the river he as at least something. Definitely have the pot odds to call.

Theory time: lets say he bet like 1.10 on the river, as played, what would you do there? flop turn and river all smack him right in the face for set mining. Do you know his 3bet stats? If it is really low, then I like a call better as that increases the chance he is doing this with a 88-JJ (maybe QQ). If it is high, then do you know how he plays 22-77? Does he ever 3bet those?

The more hands I reply to in forums the more important I see it is to note these types of tendencies.

How many broadways do you think an 8/8 nit flats in the blinds vs an UTG raise? AJs+/AQ+/KQs is about 2.5% of all hands, whereas 22-QQ represent 5% of all hands. Villain would have to flatting a lot of broadway cards, such as KJo and AJo before we get to the point where he has twice as many broadway hands than pocket pairs. Even if it were the case, betting flop is still better, because a) villain could potentially float with A high, K high, etc, b) villain is unlikely to bluff later streets with any hand he would fold to a flop bet, and c) you want to get value before the board gets scary for his hand.

Think you have to be betting the flop there, as played the rest of the streets are fine as the board gets scary, but imo c-betting the flop has to be the way yo go as 95% of the time you have the best hand and you wan't to build a pot whilst you can...

i agree that it is not optimal against the pocketpair part of his range not to bet the flop here because there could come a scarecard on the turn, i could lose 2 or 3 streets of value on some board run outs and some of the time he will hit a set.
but the pocketpairs only make out about 1/3 of his entire range on the flop and that i get 3 streets of value against his pocketpairs is only when the board runs out pretty well

and 2/3 of his range are broadways and a good amount of them have 0 chance to make a better hand on the turn and the Ax hands have max 3 outs. by checking i give 67% of his range that would otherwise just fold and only has very little equity against my hand a chance to hit a pair or the chance to bluff.

and while i certainly lose value against his pocketpairs by not betting the flop i still can get value on the turn and river depending on turn and river cards while i very certainly win nothing against 67% of his range by betting the flop.

my hand mostly looks like Ax after checking back so he might try to get me off that by betting turn and river.

Can you actually give a range? Because I am having a hard time coming up with one where he has 2x as many broadways as pocket pairs.

I agree here with Hutcho. We need to extract value and charge him to draw to his set etc. I think you are better off inducing on the turn, anyways, if that is your plan. I definitely like a bet flop bet turn, and then depending on the river card betting when checked to, calling his bet, or checking river though.

Also, I think that an 8/8 type player is probably multi tabling, and not taking as many creative lines or as aware of whats going on at all his tables, which makes me believe that his turn bet is rarely a semi bluff and on the river he as at least something. Definitely have the pot odds to call.

Theory time: lets say he bet like 1.10 on the river, as played, what would you do there? flop turn and river all smack him right in the face for set mining. Do you know his 3bet stats? If it is really low, then I like a call better as that increases the chance he is doing this with a 88-JJ (maybe QQ). If it is high, then do you know how he plays 22-77? Does he ever 3bet those?

The more hands I reply to in forums the more important I see it is to note these types of tendencies.

i don't have any infos on his 3bet tendencies. and samplesize is still pretty small so i would not put too much weight into his stats. but i would assume that he is some kind of reg given that he is fullstacked and not playing something like 67/0.
i even like calling the river more when he bets bigger because he should not have a lot of 4x in his range and also set combos are few compared to all the air he could have.i mean i check flop to induce bluffs on the turn and river. if i don't call river i should just cbet flop imo.
and considering what my range looks like (A high) most players would value bet smaller with sets and straights.

c-bet that flop 100%, hes prob not gonna be turning some trash broadway into a bluff, does this guy even have any?..He will be checking all his A highs prob for SD value and all his low PPs, which now kill us.The probability of a nit turning KJs KQ into a bluff is slim...And we will prob get less streets of value with him value owning himself then if we are betting...Check the flop if you have a reason to... your losing a ton of money by checking.,,And BTW the way this guys whole range is like 22-TT and AJ-AQ KQs...We block KQ, so we are really only hoping for a J or Q...Check if you know villain would lead with worse...Also villain is out of position so him lead bluffing is low fequency also...You should be raising him at some point here also if you think hes value owning himself.

c-bet that flop 100%, hes prob not gonna be turning some trash broadway into a bluff, does this guy even have any?..He will be checking all his A highs prob for SD value and all his low PPs, which now kill us.The probability of a nit turning KJs KQ into a bluff is slim...And we will prob get less streets of value with him value owning himself then if we are betting...Check the flop if you have a reason to... your losing a ton of money by checking.,,And BTW the way this guys whole range is like 22-TT and AJ-AQ KQs...We block KQ, so we are really only hoping for a J or Q...Check if you know villain would lead with worse...Also villain is out of position so him lead bluffing is low fequency also...You should be raising him at some point here also if you think hes value owning himself.

you got some good points. if he is really passive and just checking down J,Q,K,A high my line really sucks. and y there is a decent chance he is just going to check down A high and small PP but that not really a huge disaster because he would have folded A high on the flop to a cbet most likely and just called one street with small pocketpairs.(bigger pockets i expect him to bet on the turn for protection/value) also those hands have just very small equity vs my hand.
but since its NL10 there is a relevant chance he is very passive and is not going to bluff turn enough for checking the flop to be better than betting.
i think raising river might be an option depending on the rivercard. by that i give him the chance to value bet worse and bluff on the turn and river.
but maybe just a spot i should cbet unless i know more given that a good amount of NL10 players is just too passive.