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mwildjack

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Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1847100
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UTG: $11.14
MP: $9.85
CO: $10.66
BTN: $4.10
SB: $4.19
Hero (BB): $24.99

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with A Club Q Club
1 fold, MP raises to $0.30, 2 folds, SB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.20, MP calls $0.90, 1 fold

Flop: ($2.70) Q Heart 7 Diamond 2 Spade (2 players)
Hero bets $1.30, MP calls $1.30

Turn: ($5.30) 6 Club (2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, MP calls $2.50

River: ($10.30) 3 Heart(2 players)
Hero bets $5, MP calls $4.85 all in


I had only 10 hands so no stats on villain.
What's the standard in handling these situations when you flop TPTK in a 3b pot? I feel like i'm getting owned here most of the time.

SB is a 75/8 fish who called 3bets alot

Posted 10 months ago

elcholodeamor

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I often feel like I get stuck here in this position, and I have to learn to rely on my reads more to make these decisions. On one hand, this is the perfect dry flop to hit with our AQ so if we don't put money in, why are you playing AQ at all in the first place? On the other hand, iif we are getting our (effective) stacks in with a TPTK type hand, we often are losing at showdown.

PSR on the flop is 3.6. So, basically perfect for a TPTK hand. Perhaps we could try checking to villain on either the turn or the river. I think the turn check will induce more, and the river check is more heads up and makes a hand we are beating gain the ability to push us off our TP hand with a river bluff. However, checking the turn gives villain the opportunity to draw to an A or K, or perhaps turn his 33 or 54 into a winner.

I think tons of villians would play AQ or even KQ like this as well, and you don't have a read so maybe he plays JJ or even worse PP like this. I am not familiar with NL10 tendencies so maybe against an unknown who could call with A7 or 99 or something this line completely makes sense.

Posted 10 months ago

dietchipz

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Why are you 3 betting pre-flop?? Once you know that your decision becomes way easier on putting villain on a range...If your 3 betting because you have AQs its prob wrong thinking.And your playing your hand instead of villain.

Posted 10 months ago

mwildjack

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Why are you 3 betting pre-flop?? Once you know that your decision becomes way easier on putting villain on a range...If your 3 betting because you have AQs its prob wrong thinking.And your playing your hand instead of villain.



Sorry, forgot to mention that SB was a big fish who called 3bets alot. But still i like 3betting this hand although it sucks to get 4bet with AQ but i can get good value from worse hands

Posted 10 months ago

mwildjack

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I often feel like I get stuck here in this position, and I have to learn to rely on my reads more to make these decisions. On one hand, this is the perfect dry flop to hit with our AQ so if we don't put money in, why are you playing AQ at all in the first place? On the other hand, iif we are getting our (effective) stacks in with a TPTK type hand, we often are losing at showdown.



Yeah this is exactly what i meant in this situation. I thought about it and the odds that he is getting are (i suck at math) to call 0,90 to win 10,15. So he gets a bit better than 10-1 odds to spike something. The hands like sets where we are afraid off are getting 8-1 but are probably not making money on us because:

- We hit TP more often than he hits his set and he probably doesnt give up a hand like 99 on a flop bet so he will pay us off some % of the time on the flop/turn.
- When we don't flop TPTK we are not going to stack off when he hits his set.

So therefore he is not making money on us, so if he calls our 3bet with KQs, QJs, JJ, speculative hands(which we can assume if he also likes to setmine) like draws and payoff some streets when he picks up equity, our postflop play becomes +EV ?

Posted 10 months ago

elcholodeamor

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What do you think of a check/fold on the river? I think if we are beating him on the river he is often going to fold to our river bet and there isn't a lot that he can call with that we beat. Additionally, we may get him to make a tiny bet on the river with air that we are priced into calling with, saving us a little money if we lose and making us a little extra money if he would have otherwise folded his worse hand.

I think with your 3bet and aggression on flop and turn he is probably not going to push you off your hand with a worse hand, and I think this is probably the best play.

Anyone else out there want to chime in on what they think would be a better line, or if they like this line, what size river bet are they calling?

Posted 10 months ago

djdoodoo

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This is clearly a jam on the river vs a fish. What are mps stats and reads? Do you how he plays flopped sets? Triple barrel most days, you had no opposition so stick it in.

Posted 10 months ago




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