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Noreaga

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I see this all the time, most from fish and i would like to hear some of opinions on how do we interpretate, and counteract weird 3b sizings.

i.e We have AHeart9Heart on the button, and we make our standard 3x or 2.5x open.And the sb or the bb:Min or 2.5x 3bets us.

I`m talking about complete unknows.

What`s the most likely hand range, they make those 3b sizes with?

Is it 44/10`s, JJ/AA, Axs, Suited broadways, small suited connectors?

What is the most common range we can expect?

How do we counteract this?

Is it by 4b bluffing, calling, folding(making a note)?

What should be our 4b bluff sizing against this type of player?

Thoughts?

Posted 10 months ago

kReATivE

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Completely unknowns, I just pitch A9 early on. Get reads and then adjust.

Posted 10 months ago

pokergarden

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Completely unknowns, I just pitch A9 early on. Get reads and then adjust.



Fold A9s to a min 3b??

You can't put an unknown on any kind of specific range, but if they 3 bet really small, you can just call and play post flop.

Posted 10 months ago

Noreaga

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I put A9, as a sample hand, let`s say we have Ajs, pocket 9`s, or Qjs.It`s whatever medium strength holding, it`s about how should we percieve their range at that point.

I`m also having problems with shortstackers 3betting ip.
Like i open pocket 9`s MP at 10NL, and non pro shortstacker with 3.58$ 3b me to 1.50.
Is it profitable to get it in against this guy?
I`m probably fliping or 2 outter or dead, even though he has only 2$ behind?
Should i neglect his stack size, and just muck?

The biggest ammount of money i win each session is from playing deep stacks, where i`m in the zone and most comfortable.And the biggest amount i lose, is from fliping with shortstacks, which comes down to almost half of my winnings sometimes.So this is a serious thing for me guys, that i need to fix, before i move up.

Posted 10 months ago

kReATivE

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I put A9, as a sample hand, let`s say we have Ajs, pocket 9`s, or Qjs.It`s whatever medium strength holding, it`s about how should we percieve their range at that point.

I`m also having problems with shortstackers 3betting ip.
Like i open pocket 9`s MP at 10NL, and non pro shortstacker with 3.58$ 3b me to 1.50.
Is it profitable to get it in against this guy?
I`m probably fliping or 2 outter or dead, even though he has only 2$ behind?
Should i neglect his stack size, and just muck?

The biggest ammount of money i win each session is from playing deep stacks, where i`m in the zone and most comfortable.And the biggest amount i lose, is from fliping with shortstacks, which comes down to almost half of my winnings sometimes.So this is a serious thing for me guys, that i need to fix, before i move up.



These hands/situation is a lot different than the first one you described. With a holding like AJ, 99 or QJs, I call the 3b all day long IP and play postflop.

Also, a fish who's sitting on 35bb, I'm 4b shoving 99 all day long...an actual short stacker would depend on dynamic.

Posted 10 months ago

pokergarden

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99 is a good hand to jam against a short stacker because they are generally 3b/calling with a bunch of suited Broadway's and a lot of pocket pairs. 99 does pretty well against that range.

Posted 10 months ago

Noreaga

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I`m jamming 99 all day, only lately i`ve been running into JJ+, AJs+, that i`m either fliping against, or dominated.

Surely they`re never bluffing when they put a 3rd or half of their stack in the middle, and we have no fold equity.So i`m kinda starting to question wheather jamming anything better then JJ+, is profitable against this types of villains.

You guys also should take into consideration, that this is Zoom, and the dynamics somewhat different then on regular 6m tables.

Posted 10 months ago

pokergarden

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I haven't played zoom, but if the shorties are nitting it up you can obv just fold to their 3bets and not worry about it since they won't be exploiting you.

Posted 10 months ago

Noreaga

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I haven't played zoom, but if the shorties are nitting it up you can obv just fold to their 3bets and not worry about it since they won't be exploiting you.


I guess i`ll have to.

Posted 10 months ago




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