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## 5NL Flush draw on flop, call all-in?

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#### Zardiac

15 posts
Joined 05/2012

Hi!
I just wondered if it is ok to call all-in with flush draw?
When I played the hand I was just thinking that I had at least 9+3 = 12 outs. Which means I would have about 48% chance to make a winning hand before showdown. Using this numbers this call was slightly +EV. But I still feel uncomfortable if it was a correct play.(I usually fold when facing all-ins.. )

About villain, I only had 3 hands on him so, pretty much an unknown.

Poker Stars \$0.02/\$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 1829538
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UTG+1: \$5.06
UTG+2: \$4.87
MP1: \$5.96
Hero (MP2): \$4.85
CO: \$3.00
BTN: \$3.36
SB: \$9.01
BB: \$5.00
UTG: \$1.94

Pre Flop: (\$0.07) Hero is MP2 with 9 A
2 folds, UTG+2 raises to \$0.15, 1 fold, Hero calls \$0.15, 2 folds, SB calls \$0.13, 1 fold

Flop: (\$0.50) J T K (3 players)
SB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets \$0.30, SB raises to \$8.86 all in, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls \$4.40 all in

#### davesmi

60 posts
Joined 06/2012

Well if you do the EV calculation and it comes out positive, then its a correct call. If its negative then its incorrect. Hes probably not shoving with air. (Even though players at these stakes are capable of doing so), so you do have a draw. This is about as good as draws get. I would say its a positive EV call, im just at work and too lazy to do the ev calc to get the exact number haha. You shouldn't be uncomfortable calling an all in if you feel you have adequate equity to do so. If you lose, then oh well, thats variance. In the long run youll make money if you.make the correct decisions. Just train yourself to recognize what the correct decision is as many situations as possible and you'll be less and less uncomfortable making big calls.

#### cowman9000

49 posts
Joined 06/2012

I would say you realistically have 40% equity in this spot. Villian can shove here with sets and all of his broadway combo draws.
Your overcard won't always be any good in this spot.
So the EV calculation will be .4X4.9-.6X4.4 = 1.96-2.64=-.68
It is pretty close imo...

#### davesmi

60 posts
Joined 06/2012

That sounds right. Its correct. Its actually not as thin as i had originally believed. \$.68 is still 13.5 BB.

#### Mr Riot

84 posts
Joined 07/2011

Wasn't the +3 outs for the gutshot Queens?

#### cowman9000

49 posts
Joined 06/2012

Wasn't the +3 outs for the gutshot Queens?

Yep, well there are 3 clean Q outs for the nut straight and 1 for the nut flush.
If you stove it you will get 41% equity.
It is the kind of flop where your hand can look better than it actually is....
Yeh i forgot it was 5nl, so i guess it is quite -EV....

#### davesmi

60 posts
Joined 06/2012

Yeh i forgot it was 5nl, so i guess it is quite -EV....

You mean +ev?

#### terp

1996 posts
Joined 01/2008

not sure how the stakes affect anything. once we face the shove it doesn't really matter what the original BB size was.

OP, start by using pokerstove. it's free and will help you feel more comfortable in spots like this. routinely folding against "all ins" is not a good play. making decisions based on equity is.

#### cowman9000

49 posts
Joined 06/2012

You mean +ev?

-ev actually against a shoving range of all broadways, sets and combos
Try the ev calc yourself and if u need a hand with it I am more than happy to help
Feel free to pm me.

#### davesmi

60 posts
Joined 06/2012

not sure how the stakes affect anything. once we face the shove it doesn't really matter what the original BB size was..

in one of the original posts, we had referred to the Expected Value in monetary terms, we were just clearing the air by converting to BBs

#### davesmi

60 posts
Joined 06/2012

-ev actually against a shoving range of all broadways, sets and combos
Try the ev calc yourself and if u need a hand with it I am more than happy to help
Feel free to pm me.

no, i got it. you're right, i was just at work with no poker stove when i was reading this earlier

#### fezoff

81 posts
Joined 07/2011

no, i got it. you're right, i was just at work with no poker stove when i was reading this earlier

You get an app for that. For all your ev questions on the road

#### davesmi

60 posts
Joined 06/2012

For android or iOS?

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