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iluv68

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So recently I have ran into these situations:

I just call preflop with higher suited connectors (up to QJs), and the flop comes 1 overcard and two under cards to my hand (generally dry board). Given villain is at least cbetting over 50% I occasionally go for the c/r bluff and continuing on my backdoor flush/straight cards. I do get better hands to fold occasionally like PP's and and better high card hands, but when a villain just calls my c/r on the flop it pretty much turns their hands face up (top pair). My questions is:

1) Should I lead the turn knowing they are probably never folding top pair? It seems like burning money. I will have 1:4 chance of hitting a flush draw so I don't have good pot equity. Betting will make the pot larger for a nice river value bet with my made backdoor draw, but will that make up for the 80% time it doesn't come?

2) Check/fold? Hope they check back for "pot control" with their top pair and lead/(c/r) the river if I hit my hand?

Posted 11 months ago

pavman

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Check/fold seems better for the reasons you state.

Perhaps it would be better to fold on flop and only raise wet flops?

Posted 11 months ago

kReATivE

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I tend to barrel when I x/r flops w/ BDFD+BDSD's. You'd do the same if you x/r'd the flop with your value range right?

Posted 11 months ago

iluv68

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I tend to barrel when I x/r flops w/ BDFD+BDSD's. You'd do the same if you x/r'd the flop with your value range right?



Yes, and it is what I have been doing but feel like it is a "leak". Villain's are never folding their top pair, and I only hit my draw 1/5 times...I am not bluffing rivers as they brick off when I don't hit...it makes me sad

Posted 11 months ago

kReATivE

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Maybe you're picking wrong opponents to make this play on? I'm pretty much only making this play with someone who has a wide range and a high cbet %.

Posted 11 months ago

iluv68

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Maybe you're picking wrong opponents to make this play on? I'm pretty much only making this play with someone who has a wide range and a high cbet %.



I don't c/r villain's with low cbet%, but the b/c line by a large majority of villain's (20nl) are exclusively TPGK

Posted 11 months ago

dietchipz

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Well why are you c/r ?? to make them fold the air, Ace high parts of there range?? they deff are...you should know what they get to the turn with if your planning on bluffing....If they get to the turn with TP+ give up turns, if they get there wide then you can bluff good turn cards....You should pick a better hand to bluff with also, one with more equity..Like a BTM pair over card, BD flush, good turn bluffing type of boards... .Like A3ss on a Ks6d3d board we have a overcard, a 3 and a good bluff card on turn if flush comes in +plus BD equity, ...Say if you have QJss Ks6d3d we have like pure bluffing outs for the turn..we can only make the best hand by turning and rivering a hand ..while with the btm part of our range which is to strong to fold and to weak to call OOP, we can turn it into a bluff....Just cause we turn equity doesnt mean we should always bluff, we should bluff/v-bet on villains range he gets to the turn with and with good equity.

Posted 11 months ago

Langerz

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Well if a villain is only calling your c/r with hands that they are going to showdown then obviously don't keep firing. Don't be aggressive just for aggressive sake. If the are only calling top pair and then going to showdown, that's exploitable. Take the line that exploits it.

That said keep a few things in mind.

If you do this a lot and have a high c/r, some villains may call flops with less than TP. They may call with second pair, a pocket pair less than top pair, overs with back door draws etc. You can barrel more then.

Also look for good boards to barrel. If the board comes two tone and you have a back door draw fire a flush card on the turn. Same with potential straights.

Posted 11 months ago




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