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xsAir

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Joined 03/2012

IPoker Network $4.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1820017
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UTG: $5.08 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 17, 3B: 3, AF: 2.2, Hands: 1954
MP: $4.00 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 14, 3B: 5, AF: 2.8, Hands: 2754
CO: $5.63 - VPIP: 73, PFR: 57, 3B: 43, AF: 0.3, Hands: 30
Hero (BTN): $7.91 - VPIP: 30, PFR: 20, 3B: 5, AF: 2.6, Hands: 24018
SB: $4.37 - VPIP: 31, PFR: 17, 3B: 4, AF: 1.6, Hands: 58
BB: $4.74 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 17, 3B: 3, AF: 2.2, Hands: 1954

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero is BTN with A Diamond 9 Diamond
UTG raises to $0.12, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.36, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.24

Flop: ($0.78) 2 Spade 3 Club K Club (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.58, UTG calls $0.58

Turn: ($1.94) 4 Club (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.94, UTG calls $1.94

River: ($5.82) 3 Diamond (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $5.03, UTG calls $2.20 all in

Final Pot: $10.22
UTG shows K Heart J Heart
UTG wins $9.54


If anyone wants to give some feedback on this I would be very interested. The hand was originally opened UTG. I 3bet, he calls, so his range was very strong AK, TT+ I am thinking.

The board has a flush draw, I cbet. I get called, this makes me put the UTG on AK as he paired his king (turns out I was only a little off), maybe KK set but I am thinking I would have got 4bet with KK. I decide to bluff the flush with a pot bet. River is a blank, I shove hoping to convince villain I have the flush. Based on his range him having a club flush is not too likely unless it was AQs, maybe AJs, but not many combos he could have with a flush given his original range, and the fact the K is already taken.

I lost this time but I was curious if you thought this play was +EV, or just all around bad? Do you think my range assumptions are valid?

Another thing I was thinking. Maybe I should have bet smaller on the turn, so my river bet looked more impressive and gave worse odds for Villain?

Posted 10 months ago

goranbaxy

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Joined 05/2010

trying to make someone fold TP in 3bet pot is not good idea, also, you need to know why you are 3betting preflop, if he callas with KJs on UTG OP, and that should be something like bottom of his range, he is not folding alot and 3betting A9s is bad (unless he callas alot and fold to cbet alot)

Posted 10 months ago

dcart

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319 posts
Joined 01/2011

Given that he calls KJ OOP to a 3 bet, id just 3 bet the top 4% of hands for value JJ+,AQs+,AQo+
Against his 17% opening range A9s is 47% equity so you could call with the intention of taking it away on the turn if he only continues with a narrow range/bluff raising.

Its going to be difficult to get him to lay down top pair in a 3 bet pot at 4nl. Looking at your stats you look pretty loose so you have even less credit with your bluffs. Vs an UTG range id just stick to value betting. Look to bluff against a weaker range, such as against a CO open when you have position.

Posted 10 months ago

thorben17

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163 posts
Joined 08/2010

He has a pretty tight opening range (although he looks fishy) therefore I don't think we can 3bet A9s for value in this spot (unless you have info that he's folding a lot to cbets). He also won't fold better, therefore this becomes a call (especially with this fishy SB).

As played I guess a flop cbet is ok (he may fold AT/AJ/AQ plus some hands he might have that you beat like JT). On the turn I would consider barreling J/T/Q because he probably calls pre with all the pocket pairs, but that is close. On this card you should give up.

Regards

Posted 10 months ago

hayes13

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Joined 12/2008

I would give up after he calls the turn. Remember he can have flushes on the turn too!.

Posted 10 months ago

Noreaga

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304 posts
Joined 10/2011

So you have almost 2k hands sample on him, and you haven`t noticed he doesn`t like folding top pairs so far? What are your notes on this guy? What is his ft3B% and Wtsd%? Why do you decide to 3b him after he opens Utg?

It`s a very bad to idea to try and take people of hands at the micros, especially since they don`t like folding, and your line doesn`t really make sense.What you represent on the river when you shove is a flush right? But when you bet the pot on the turn, it seems like you`re betting for protection against a fd.

Also i think against a guy who will call 3b Oop with Kjs, you don`t need to balance your 3betting range, but only do it for value, since this guy will never adjust.Making these plays at the micros is just lighting money on fire imo.I`m not hating on a 3b with A9s ip, nore the cbet on K high flop, but you should really give up on the turn, and realize you have no fold equity.
Definitely not a +Ev play.

Posted 10 months ago

ninjacut

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Joined 12/2011

So you think he has AK and still bluff? As you can judge yourself, you wanted him to fold top pair top kicker and he called with medium kicker, which means it's not a great bluff. It's that simple.

Him, after calling the flop bet, i'd expect to have KQ and TT-QQ pretty often (QQ somewhat discounted), so hes not folding KQ on the turn and half the pair combos wont fold the turn cuz they have a flushdraw, that's why i'd stop after betting the flop and just give up on the turn.

Posted 10 months ago

iluv68

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655 posts
Joined 03/2011

Preflop : I would fold this hand if effective stacks were 100bb, and 125bb we can arguably play given we had some very good notes about postflop play and that villain is only going to 4bet KK+ (information we don't really have at this point). I would fold and wait for a better spot.
Flop : Since it was checked to us, I would bet as a bluff to make AJ+, TT-QQ (not always folding) fold. I would never bet if a Club came on turn as the flush draw is in villain's c/c range (AQs, AJs). Also, villain might peel with QQClub/JJClub again if the club falls on the turn.
Turn : Worse card in the deck would be QClub but this Club is still bad as reasons listed above. Check back and hope to hit an off suit A on river
River : Never betting here. Villain is essentially pot committed and will be getting 3.6:1 on a call. Lighting money on fire here with a bet.

Posted 10 months ago




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