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Villian is 23/20 Ft3bet 70% open UTG15%. His aggression is 3.5 1.7 0.6 and Freq 51% 28% 16% flop turn river respectively. 353 hands. No notes as probably lost on old computer. He is a solid in general.

MP: $58.70
CO: $50.00
BTN: $20.00
SB: $52.98
Hero (BB): $50.00
UTG: $52.75

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with K Q
UTG raises to $1.50, 4 folds, Hero raises to $5.25, UTG calls $3.75

Flop: ($10.75) J 9 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $6.00, UTG calls $6

Turn: ($22.75) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $12.00, UTG raises to $41.50

I 3bet as a bluff, 3betting vs UTG with my offsuit broadways as it discounts KQ AK AQ KK QQ slightly, and looks very strong considering positional ranges.

I barrel the turn to move him off AQ/AK floats, TT. Villian shoves and we need 26% to call. I put his range at slow played AA/KK, JJ, 99 and AcKc. I find it very hard to see bluff in his range and its a clear fold.
My main question is if this is a standard barrel? If so, should i bet larger to prevent being rebluffed by overcard floats?

Thanks!

In all honesty I don't like this 3 bet OOP from an UTG raiser. Your opponents UTG range in general is going to be much tighter than any where else on the table. Your also calling with KQ off suit, a hand that can be dominated by AK, AQ, QQ, JJ, maybe AJ...You miss the flop, so since you were the pre-flop aggressor you make a bet and villain calls. After this I would be done with this hand, the turn is another blank and you bet again. By betting the turn what are you trying to represent?

If I were in villains position I would be telling myself that this turn card probably doesn't help, and he most likely doesn't have a 6 X hand unless he 3 bet me light, so my hand is probably good....

I'm folding this hand pre-flop....Take care

i m also folding this hand pre... but considering the fact that he folds a ton to 3 bets, I guess it's not that bad to 3 bet... I think the rest of the line is fine also the move on the turn is good because u actually are repping a AJ or something like that, so would still bet when the other 6 comes...

I understand your point, his range is tighter than normal, but its still 15%. As i said its not a 3bet for value but i am also not calling with it so i will raise or fold. What do you raise vs an UTG player? Just AA/KK/AK? Thats pretty easy to play against if your opponents realise this.
The very fact that his range is tight is the reason why i would do this, because he knows that i know that his range is tight and if im 3betting that tight range my percieved range is strong.
I barrel flop and turn because i am still representing that tight range, AA-QQ. Not so much AJ because he would be unlikely to put that in my 3betting range but possible.

Frank, if you get 3bet call a cbet and villian barrels a board pairing card would you think that his range is tighter because he is continuing on a card that you are unlikely to fold in it actually strengthens his betting range? I guess that thought process or your thoought process depends entirely on what level the villian is on and percieves you to be on..

Don't barrel the turn, think about his range for a bit here.

Also I think it's worth pointing out that if it's profitable to 3b bluff him you don't always have to continue OTF, you'll still be making a profit.

When calls the 3b after opening utg you can reasonably assume that his range is very strong and it might be better just to give up.

Does anyone else think not cbetting here is a viable option?

Don't barrel the turn, think about his range for a bit here.

Why not? Villain still has TT,AK,AQ in his flop calling range. That's a lot of combos. Do you think he will call a turn barrel with those?

What's your plan on the river when he calls?

He won't always call the flop with AK/AQ (70% ft3b indicates that he's tight vs 3bets, therefore somewhat fit-or-fold) and he's likely to peel the turn with TT.

There are opponents who do peel the flop very wide in 3b pots and against them such move is fine, but in this spot I feel you won't get enough folds. If you think he's solid and will fold Jx at some point of the hand, you can consider 3barreling or check-shoving the turn (if he likes to float).

Regards

Cheapskate8

If your going to try and isolate from the blinds OOP do it against players who have a VPIP of 40 or 50....Because then KQ off suit will be way ahead of their range....You 3 betting this villain, I am not as confident with a hand like KQ from an UTG raise, we might be doing just okay against his UTG range...

Don't barrel the turn, think about his range for a bit here.

+1

Why not? Villain still has TT,AK,AQ in his flop calling range. That's a lot of combos. Do you think he will call a turn barrel with those?

Well lets say he calls flop with those 100%, that's 12combos of AK, 12 combos of AQ and 6 combos of TT.
that 30combos, we are betting 12 to win 22.75 so it has to work 12/(12+22.75)=12/34.75= 34% of the time. So therefore he must have at most 30/0.34= 80 combos total in his range (or 50 non folding combos) here if he's only folding those to make our bet good.

But really tbh I don't think he calls flop with all the AQ, and maybe not all the AK either.

Alot of TT won't find a fold on turn yet either IMO

I think you should 3bet if you have a really good understanding of how this person plays post. Just because it discounts all the hands mentioned doesn't really matter enough to justify a 3b. Thoughts?

Why not? Villain still has TT,AK,AQ in his flop calling range. That's a lot of combos. Do you think he will call a turn barrel with those?

ask yourself, what is his range is when he calls the 3bet PF, and cold calls the flop cbet.
i'd wager that TT, AK and AQ are not among them. those all fold to a flop cbet in a 3bet pot.
AK maybe will call 1 street, but thats villian dependant. i doubt this guy will be one of those.
and he's certainly not raising the turn with AK.

but that by no means says the cbet is bad. because it's not.
but i feel when he calls it, i'm done with the hand and c/f any non T turn.

Cheapskate8

If your going to try and isolate from the blinds OOP do it against players who have a VPIP of 40 or 50....Because then KQ off suit will be way ahead of their range....You 3 betting this villain, I am not as confident with a hand like KQ from an UTG raise, we might be doing just okay against his UTG range...

@Frank959 ...hes 3 betting purely as a bluff so were not worried about being ahead of his range as we are expecting him to fold enough to profit from this single action....

@cheapskate8... im not sure about double barreling OOP here, i think his range is way too tight for this, also we cant bet river when called, our K's and Q's are dominated, best we can hope for is to spike a T and even then we dont have the nuts, i also dont think hes folding TT AKs AQs OTF either (villian dependant) depends whether he likes going for BD draws

another point is we have to remember at these stakes we dont want to think about 'repping' hands too much as this strategy isnt the best here