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hey guys, iv been running super bad lately and have some doubt in my game, also tilt came into play in a couple of hands so im pretty unsure on how bad i played the hands, gonna post a couple of hands in different threads so you can check out the other once aswell, here we go :

UTG is super fishy, limp calling often & calling it of with weak toppairs ertc

is the river just a ck behind because of the crap river ?
but he will still call all Jx hands
meh i dont know anymore

iPoker - €0.50 PL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (MP): €50.00
CO: €66.82
BTN: €105.83
SB: €55.98
BB: €81.06
UTG: €46.25

SB posts SB €0.25, BB posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (€0.75) Hero has K K

UTG calls €0.50, Hero raises to €2.25, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls €1.75

Flop: (€5.25, 2 players) J 9 6
UTG checks, Hero bets €3.50, UTG calls €3.50

Turn: (€12.25, 2 players) 2
UTG checks, Hero bets €8.50, UTG calls €8.50

River: (€29.25, 2 players) 8
UTG checks, [color=red]Hero

If he is a fish i think b/f river is probably fine. But which range do you think he is on?

Personally would cbet around $4/ 4.25, as played i like the turn sizing and i would bet between $10 on the river aiming his QJ, KJ, AJ, maybe TT.

Have you seen him bluff?

i highly doubt we can ever betfold the river...
we have like 30 behind in a 30 pot...
its either a jam or a ck/f so i guess its a jam probably

his range on the turn ?
Jx 9x 78 flushdraws 66 99 JJ QT sometimes KQ

He is never going to shove worse or bluff with a high frequency so of course you can b/f you can even bet something like 8.50

He is never going to shove worse or bluff with a high frequency so of course you can b/f you can even bet something like 8.50

yea but he is a fish, meaning that if he has a weak hand he is still going to call a shove on the river.
and if i check he will check behind all his weak hands & bet all his strong hands.
so now i need to figure out if he has more weak hands in range then strong hands.
if so, its a shove, if not its a ck/f
but bet/folding a smaller amount vs this player seems silly

I don't know if betting smaller than a shove is silly? Is it that unlikely for him to have a range that calls a small bet, but folds to a shove? Thinking of hands like A9, K9, T9, any suited crap that hit a pair along the way, some pocket pairs.

Also it would help a lot to have an idea about how he might play his monster hands. Have you seem him c/r flop or turn before? Is he the kind of fish you would expect to slowplay a monster all the way or rather the kind of fish who throws in a c/r somewhere or even donks at some point?
If he has shown any of those kind of tendencies this could sway or decision one way or another imo.

EUSSI - I really don't think you understand, its clearly better to b/f than shove think of his range what he is going to call a small bet as appose to a shove.

Why is the 8 a bad card?

It only helps a small part of his range

Jam, draws missed so he has reasons to look you up. It's only like 105% pot right? You should also cbet $4 on such board textures with such value hands vs such players. Makes it easier to barrel the turn a bit larger too and then have river be a <pot shove.

8 isnt really that bad of a card, gives him a pair a lot and a bluff catcher, he still has Jx in his range even 9x...8 pretty much only help 89 that beats you and QT.... and as said above 8.50$ bet can easily make him call with the weak parts of his range,,,,but if hes a super fish then I dont think a betsize really matters and should just jam

Why is the 8 a bad card?

It only helps a small part of his range

well it helps J8 98 TQ 57 88 68
so pretty good part of his range...
obv he has way more hands that arent those, but i mean, i rather see a 2 or a 3 or whatever

I agree i shouldv bet flop & turn bigger, this wouldv made this an easier shove on the river.
still pretty convinced villain isnt folding more of his range if i shove then i make a smaller bet...

i think he would probably put in a raise somewhere on the flop or turn if he has a monster, so i dont think there are to much 2p or sets in his range by the river, (unless he spyked the river obv)

Jam, draws missed so he has reasons to look you up. It's only like 105% pot right? You should also cbet $4 on such board textures with such value hands vs such players. Makes it easier to barrel the turn a bit larger too and then have river be a <pot shove.

after thinking about the hand a little more this is exactly what i shouldv done.
bet more on flop & turn & shove the river without a doubt

UTG is super fishy, limp calling often & calling it of with weak toppairs ertc

iPoker - €0.50 PL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (MP): €50.00
CO: €66.82
BTN: €105.83
SB: €55.98
BB: €81.06
UTG: €46.25

SB posts SB €0.25, BB posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (€0.75) Hero has K K

UTG calls €0.50, Hero raises to €3, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls €2.25

Flop: (€6.75, 2 players) J 9 6
UTG checks, Hero bets €6.75, UTG calls €6.75

Turn: (€20.25, 2 players) 2
UTG checks, Hero bets €18, UTG calls €18

River: (€56.25, 2 players) 8
UTG checks, Hero bets €18.50, UTG calls €18.50

This is how this hand should have looked like. 8 helps only small part of his range, there are still tons of Jx and 9x hands that are gonna call you. Also, don't forget to charge draws.

I think Stackhunter brings up a relevant point, and that is bet sizing on prior streets. It's so much nicer to be betting 18.50 into a big pot than contemplating b/f'ing in a smaller pot, and his calling range is probably about the same throughout the turn anyways.

As played, I'd challenge you to examine your reasons for not wanting to b/f. Do you think you are EVER ahead when he shoves over? If not, then it's an easy fold. Also, I believe his calling range is really elastic, and we're getting higher expected value by betting closer to halfpot.