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BeRisin

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Joined 05/2012

Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 1795684
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BTN: $13.48 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 9, 3B: 9, AF: 1.9, Hands: 184
SB: $15.53 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 12, 3B: 4, AF: 1.6, Hands: 138
BB: $5.00 - VPIP: 7, PFR: 7, 3B: 13, AF: 0.0, Hands: 15
UTG: $10.05 - VPIP: 13, PFR: 10, 3B: 1, AF: 2.1, Hands: 342
Hero (UTG+1): $14.30 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 10, 3B: 4, AF: 2.9, Hands: 184933
UTG+2: $29.55 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 13, 3B: 3, AF: 6.2, Hands: 609
MP1: $22.82 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 76
MP2: $2.51 - VPIP: 29, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 7
CO: $13.84 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 10, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG+1 with T Spade T Diamond
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.40, 3 folds, CO calls $0.40, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.95) J Spade Q Diamond 9 Spade (2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, CO raises to $1.40

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I bet as a standard cbet but did think about check raising as a semi bluff, as that might also get me a free card. Is that probably a better line?

Anyway, when he raises I put him on TP, 2 pair or a set of nines, maybe Jacks. Should I call and re evaluate on the turn? Trying to pick up a free card if possible? If he's got 2 pair or a set I think the implied odds are there but I'm getting the correct pot odds near enough anyway am I not?

Posted 12 months ago

FlyingMachine

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Joined 11/2010

His raising range is destroying you here. Here isn't the pot odds is interesting I think, the implied odds is more important. If you catch a K or 8, will he call your bigger bets down? Almost sure, he will not, and if he does, you are beaten. (don't forget for example KT, if you catch the 8) So it can be a reversed implied odds trap. He can beat you with flushes, or fulls too later. Here is a little PokerStove, it's not that tight range:


Board: Js Qd 9s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 26.517% 20.60% 05.91% 10403 2985.50 { TdTs }
Hand 1: 73.483% 67.57% 05.91% 34116 2985.50 { QcQh, QcQs, QhQs, JcJd, JcJh, JdJh, TcTh, 9c9d, 9c9h, 9d9h, KcQc, KhQh, KsQs, KcTc, KhTh, QcJc, QhJh, QcTc, QhTh, QsTs, JcTc, JhTh, KcQh, KcQs, KdQc, KdQh, KdQs, KhQc, KhQs, KsQc, KsQh, KcTh, KdTc, KdTh, KhTc, KsTc, KsTh, QcJd, QcJh, QhJc, QhJd, QsJc, QsJd, QsJh, QcTh, QhTc, QhTd, QsTc, QsTh, JcTh, JdTc, JdTh, JhTc }

I think bet/fold, check/call and check/raise can be good all, it depends on villain, which is the best in the situation. Now you dont have much information, so I think the b/f is ok.

Posted 12 months ago

KKarl

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Joined 08/2011

I would not check-raise this board because it will be very hard to fold out better hands or good draws, many better medium strength made hands have a draw to go with it (JT, QT,KQ, KJ etc.).

I think bet-folding is fine, but we will give up equity against better one or two pair hands as it denies us from seeing the turn. Also, there are not that many worse hands which can call us. So I would like check-calling as it helps us seeing the turn and gets additional value from his bluffs. If it gets checked back we could still fire turn and might even get more calls than on the flop. I don't think we would like to fire two streets in any case.

Posted 11 months ago

BeRisin

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Joined 05/2012

His raising range is destroying you here. Here isn't the pot odds is interesting I think, the implied odds is more important. If you catch a K or 8, will he call your bigger bets down? Almost sure, he will not, and if he does, you are beaten. (don't forget for example KT, if you catch the 8) So it can be a reversed implied odds trap. He can beat you with flushes, or fulls too later. Here is a little PokerStove, it's not that tight range:


Board: Js Qd 9s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 26.517% 20.60% 05.91% 10403 2985.50 { TdTs }
Hand 1: 73.483% 67.57% 05.91% 34116 2985.50 { QcQh, QcQs, QhQs, JcJd, JcJh, JdJh, TcTh, 9c9d, 9c9h, 9d9h, KcQc, KhQh, KsQs, KcTc, KhTh, QcJc, QhJh, QcTc, QhTh, QsTs, JcTc, JhTh, KcQh, KcQs, KdQc, KdQh, KdQs, KhQc, KhQs, KsQc, KsQh, KcTh, KdTc, KdTh, KhTc, KsTc, KsTh, QcJd, QcJh, QhJc, QhJd, QsJc, QsJd, QsJh, QcTh, QhTc, QhTd, QsTc, QsTh, JcTh, JdTc, JdTh, JhTc }

I think bet/fold, check/call and check/raise can be good all, it depends on villain, which is the best in the situation. Now you dont have much information, so I think the b/f is ok.




I do think I would get paid off at least one bet if he's got top two or a set and I hit, especially an 8. I didn't even think of KT tbh because I have 2 ten's so for some reason instead of thinking it's not probable, I go with it's not possible! When of course, it is.

I've not seen or used Pokerstove before so I'm not sure what columns mean what etc. I can see that I don't have great equity though against his range, thanks for posting that =)

Posted 11 months ago




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