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Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 1794942
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BTN: $5.06 - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 6
SB: $4.11 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 25, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 4
BB: $8.11 - VPIP: 9, PFR: 6, 3B: 0, AF: 13.0, Hands: 64
UTG: $8.12 - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 4
UTG+1: $10.61 - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 5
UTG+2: $4.69 - VPIP: 8, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 0.8, Hands: 184
Hero (MP1): $11.74 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 10, 3B: 4, AF: 2.9, Hands: 182194
MP2: $9.91 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 7, 3B: 8, AF: 0.0, Hands: 54
CO: $5.63 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 6, 3B: 0, AF: 0.7, Hands: 16

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP1 with J J
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, MP2 calls $0.40, 4 folds

Flop: ($0.95) 5 6 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.70, MP2 raises to $1.40, Hero calls $0.70

Turn: ($3.75) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.60, MP2 raises to $3.20


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MP2's got a set, right? Lol. Anyone think I should keep going here? Reasoning if so?

Sample is small, but villain seems tight and passive (the high 3b is probably just due to the small sample). So, he probably has s.th. here. But the flop min-raise need not be a set, that can also be a 9 or TT and sometimes weird stuff.

If I go for the donk-line on the turn, with the idea of b-folding but protecting against draws, then I would make it bigger, 2.50 say. But I don't think that is such a good line, for passive players do not raise their draws very often, so his flop-raise tells us that he is probably not drawing (unless it is a monster draw maybe). Given that, I would check the turn with the idea of calling a small bet and folding to a big one. Villain is probably not betting big with a 9 or TT.

As played, I would fold, but given that we have bet so small we have increased the chances of making a mistake here. Calling and evaluating river becomes a close second as we are getting better than 4:1.

Didn't realise that by betting small I'm making a mistake! So my play on turn was probably the worst line I could take.

Out of interest, on the turn say we check call half pot. The river is a blank. Do you bet for value or give up? This is something I see quite regularly and I don't know what to do a lot of the time. I read check calling isn't a great move on the river as if it's not worth value you should be folding and if it is, obviously you bet, or check raise.

I dont really understand your line at all. What is your reasoning behind calling a flop raise and leading again on the turn other than "the flush missed"?

I would 3 bet the flop for value if i think he is capable of raising the flop with draws. TP or MP.
Vs this guy i am in pot control showdown mode, i would x/c the turn but fold told a large bet as i expect villian to semi bluffing rarely.

Honestly it's because I wasn't really too sure what to do. I see now that it's not a great line though, all I can see is I'm getting worse hands to fold.

If I 3 bet the flop and he shoves, what should i do? Not much of a sample on him to see if he's playing TP or a draw.

Honestly it's because I wasn't really too sure what to do. I see now that it's not a great line though, all I can see is I'm getting worse hands to fold.

If I 3 bet the flop and he shoves, what should i do? Not much of a sample on him to see if he's playing TP or a draw.

Don't 3b flop vs passive opponents. What worse hands will call? We are crushed vs sets and FD's with an overcard have great eq vs our hand.

If you don't want to fold on the flop, c/c turn and evaluate river.

What range are you putting villain on here to essentially click it back here on the flop?

Honestly it's because I wasn't really too sure what to do. I see now that it's not a great line though, all I can see is I'm getting worse hands to fold.

If I 3 bet the flop and he shoves, what should i do? Not much of a sample on him to see if he's playing TP or a draw.

I would fold but imo 3 betting the flop is bad. You are never crushed vs a FD i have no idea what adriano is talking about.
Now that i think about it your line isnt awful. A 3 bet on the flop is bad. Checking the turn is quite weak and allows villian to x/ IP and see a free card with his draws.
I disagree with KKarl about your bet size on the turn i think your bet sizing is far superior. Against recreational players you should be flexing your bet sizes, if he is going to call a 1/2 bet on the turn he is going to call a 1/3 pot bet as well. Also if you are bet folding you want to be losing the minimum.
Your line is fine as long as you are thinking and have a plan. I think at the time you where just a little confused so you didnt really have a plan.

IMO its 50/50 wether i x/c or bet/fold, i dont mind either. Bet folding makes the hand easier to play though.

What range are you putting villain on here to essentially click it back here on the flop?

AK, AQ, JJ, TT, Arag FD, A9s (not FD), 78s (not just SFD), maybe even 77, 88.

Oh and a set obvs.

What range are you putting villain on here to essentially click it back here on the flop?

55 66 99 56 TT 88 77 and FDs, heavily weighted to 2 pair+

That is what I thought you would say. I believe because of his high 3bet percentage (8 seems really high especially for full ring) that AK AQ JJ TT should be considered hands that he almost always would reraise you pre. I believe there are not too many flush draws in his range here and screams of an individual who is incapable of betting for value which is seen frequently at these limits. Given that I would still end up calling flop and reacessing on the turn though I would never lead out on turn as it really accomplishes nothing.

That is what I thought you would say. I believe because of his high 3bet percentage (8 seems really high especially for full ring) that AK AQ JJ TT should be considered hands that he almost always would reraise you pre. I believe there are not too many flush draws in his range here and screams of an individual who is incapable of betting for value which is seen frequently at these limits. Given that I would still end up calling flop and reacessing on the turn though I would never lead out on turn as it really accomplishes nothing.

8% in 54 hands tells us nothing about his 3 bet range. Leading the turn accomplishes a few things. It can slow villain down, it protects our hand vs his draws and it simplifies our decision making (if he raises the turn we are folding) (if he calls we are value betting any non club river).

True, I did not realize the hand sample was that small when commenting on the 8 percent and I apologize for that though it still would not change my action in that I would call and reaccess turn. What you said about betting the turn I believe to be at best ideal in this spot but not likely to be the case as villain has showed strength and the will to not give up easily in this pot with no indications that he will slow down on the turn.If anything I believe betting turn gives him the perfect opportunity to bluff raise this board with the bottom of his range blowing us off of our hands that we would usually bluffcatch in this spot with.

True, I did not realize the hand sample was that small when commenting on the 8 percent and I apologize for that though it still would not change my action in that I would call and reaccess turn. What you said about betting the turn I believe to be at best ideal in this spot but not likely to be the case as villain has showed strength and the will to not give up easily in this pot with no indications that he will slow down on the turn.If anything I believe betting turn gives him the perfect opportunity to bluff raise this board with the bottom of his range blowing us off of our hands that we would usually bluffcatch in this spot with.

Yeh i think there are good arguements for both like i said up top i, 50/50 between bet folding turn and check calling. Its trickier spot than it appears at first sight