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Tech9ines

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this is a spot i struggle with, on a 2 tone board OOP when im offsuited holding a blocker to villians drawing range.

villian is 33/14 so far, this is the second tme i have 3b vs this villian,
first time he called 3b OOP with AJo and stacked off TP otf on rainbow board

his fold to 3b is 0, obviously only 3b him twice and called both times so i dont have too much of an idea of his 3b calling range yet except AJo+

standard 3b for value

whats your play here, and why???
$30.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1792997
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CO: $24.67
BTN: $79.52
Hero (SB):
BB: $33.13
UTG: $35.96
MP: $34.64

Pre Flop: ($0.45) Hero is SB with A Diamond K Spade
UTG calls $0.30, MP raises to $1.20, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4.50, 2 folds, MP calls $3.30

Flop: ($9.60) 8 Club J Spade 5 Spade (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $4.80

?

Posted about 1 year ago

fezoff

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I struggle with this situation as well. I find that if I c-bet and get called I have no idea where I stand in the hand, and when I hit on the turn I'm still not to happy as KJ and AJ now made two pair. By checking the flop do we not turn our hand face up?One thing I'm contemplating is making it a spot for a check raise, any thoughts?

Posted about 1 year ago

UU!I.I.4AAUU35

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c bet half pot, give up if he doesnt fold unless we hit on the turn I think its balanced and +ev, tell me if im wrong

Posted about 1 year ago

Adriano85

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Cbet half pot and decide on the turn. Still a couple good cards we can continue on if villain calls.
If we cbet half pot we only have to win 1/3 of the time which means villain have to fold 66% of his calling range on this board. Write down the hands you think villain calls with pre, calculate the amount of combinations and see how many of those he will fold vs your cbet.

Posted about 1 year ago

micsquab

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Dont 3 bet AKos from sb vs. an early position raiser.

Posted about 1 year ago

Adriano85

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Dont 3 bet AKos from sb vs. an early position raiser.



He is 3betting an isolation raise from MP...
Mp is isolating wide in general so 3betting AKo is fine here.

Posted about 1 year ago

terp

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I struggle with this situation as well. I find that if I c-bet and get called I have no idea where I stand in the hand, and when I hit on the turn I'm still not to happy as KJ and AJ now made two pair. By checking the flop do we not turn our hand face up?One thing I'm contemplating is making it a spot for a check raise, any thoughts?



you start by saying, what hands call my 3bet? then, what hands call rather than raise or fold the flop? this is how you need to approach poker hands always

Posted about 1 year ago

micsquab

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how do you know this is an iso raise?

Posted about 1 year ago

Adriano85

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how do you know this is an iso raise?



UTG calls $0.30, MP raises to $1.20, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4.50, 2 folds, MP calls $3.30

MP's range is in general wider in spots like this.

Posted about 1 year ago

micsquab

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UTG calls $0.30, MP raises to $1.20, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4.50, 2 folds, MP calls $3.30

MP's range is in general wider in spots like this.



so everytime you raise a limper you are isoing? I dont think AKos is a value raise given the positions especially if hero is going to play fit or fold otf.

Posted about 1 year ago

Adriano85

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My point is that MP's range is wider in general in a spot like this. You can call it how you like.
Ofcourse we should not play fit or fold. I think everyone agrees this is a cbet.

Posted about 1 year ago

ambtndplyr

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not 3b ak here is a huge mistake. dont know where this discussion about pre comes from

Posted about 1 year ago

Adriano85

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If you read all posts you will know..

Not trying to be rude, it's just better to know whats been said before you mix into the discussion imo.

Posted about 1 year ago

ambtndplyr

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yes and i think its very bad. we 3b for value vs a calling and a potential 4bet(bluffing)range and its not even close

Posted about 1 year ago

procrastination

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Villain is 33/14 fish, He has 0% fold to 3b and called 3b OOP with AJo and stacked off TP otf on rainbow board.

Not 3betting AK here is a huge mistake.
Our plan otf is cbet half pot and give up whiffed, try to stack off him when we hit a pair.

Posted about 1 year ago




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