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20NL: TPMK in 3-bet pot OOP vs TAG

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axel1

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Hey,

villain is a TAG, he plays 21/18 over 1300 hands. He is a straight forward TAG, with weak-tight tendencies. He folds to most c-bets, folds like always when his c-bets get raised, check/folds on dry boards vs fish as pfr... He folds vs most 3-bets, and when he doesn't fold, he calls and plays fit or fold postflop. He has never 4-bet in this 1300 hand sample!

I did 3-bet him alot in this session, and he adjusted by calling for a time and folding to any c-bet or double barrel. After a few calls, he just stopped calling and folded to 3-bets as usual. ^^

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NL Holdem $0.20(BB) Replayer
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Hero ($36.31)
UTG ($34.70)
CO ($16.32)
BTN ($23.72)

Dealt to Hero AHeart TDiamond

UTG raises to $0.80, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $2.40, UTG calls $1.60

FLOP ($4.90) 5Spade KClub AClub

Hero bets $2.45, UTG calls $2.45

TURN ($9.80) 5Spade KClub AClub 7Heart

Hero checks, UTG checks

RIVER ($9.80) 5Spade KClub AClub 7Heart 6Heart

Hero bets ....?
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Preflop: ATo is too weak to call vs his UTG open, and it's pretty much the top of my folding range, so i decided to turn it into a bluff by 3-betting. I expect to take the pot down preflop often and if not i still can win it postflop by c-betting (given his tendencies), but i'd be a bit more carefull, because he has a tighter range since he opened UTG.

Flop: Uhhh i hit an ace. It's very likely that i have the best hand, and i want to get some value from his medium strenght hands. I think his range for calling the 3-bet looks like 99-QQ, AJ+, KQ, QJ, KJ. I decided to c-bet, because that's what i did all the time. If i check my hand looks like Kx, QQ, JJ... and if i bet i can also represent bluffs, and that's what i want. Also if we check and he bets, we're in an akward spot...

Turn: Once he calls the flop i think he has something like AQ, AJ, KQ, KJ, QQ-99 and QJ. The turn card changes nothing and i decided to check, because, by barreling i'd fold out everything i beat, and if i check my hand looks really weak and bluffy after betting the flop. If he bets more than 1/2 pot i'd probably fold, because it's most likely that he checks back any showdown value hand and just bets hands that beat me.

River: The river is another blank. I think when he checks back the turn, we can narrow his range down to something like 99-JJ, KQ, KJ. How do i get a call from this hands? Should i bet small to make him feel prized in to call or should i bet big to make it look bluffy?

Do you like my plan for the hand?

Posted about 1 year ago

Nunc est bibendum

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I am not a big fan of 3bet 21/18 who open from UTG. If he is positional awareness he as about 10% range. But you are 170bb deep which we should consider few things. First of all if decide to 3bet, it should be bigger to not give him good odds to setmine. Secondly I would consider flatting, cause we are deep, and he plays weak postflop, so he will be scared to play big pot unless he has big hand. So we could rise his cbet on many board as a bluff. As played vs passive players I would bet small and fold to rise on river.

Posted about 1 year ago

Squarebarrell_Gunmonkey

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While I think 3-betting ATo in the big blind against a UTG nit raiser is rediculous. Your plan was to 3-bet to induce a fold, but when you hit the ace on the flop you just put yourself in a tough situation out of position. That's why you 3-bet polarized range.

As played, I think the villians got a piece of the board and is looking up your bull*$#$, I"d value bet somewhere around 4 bucks and see if he looks you up.

Posted about 1 year ago

thorben17

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Yep, calling seems better against this villain - you can always move him off a hand postflop and you're deep therefore he'll call more, making your reversed implied odds higher.

Flop - I'd bet bigger (3-3.5) - sizing won't affect his calling range in this spot much in my opinion
Turn - I like your plan
River - I see two options here:
a) we bet small (2.5-3.9 maybe) to make him call with a king or herocall with QQ/JJ, I think he won't call a bigger bet on an Ahigh board
b) we check/call - even though he folds vs most 3bets, I see him calling pre and peel the flop with broadways like QJ/JT, he'll sometimes have a busted FD; as I don't expect a guy like this to check back AJ+ on the turn therefore I think we might consider this option

Regards

Posted about 1 year ago

Squarebarrell_Gunmonkey

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Here's my equity calculator on this:

Folding > 3-betting > calling

Why play ATo against a nit who opened UTG? His range crushes ATo, and your OOP.

Edit: What was I thinking, atleast 3-betting you get fold equity pre-flop, because your repping a very narrow range. Calling is just suicide.

Posted about 1 year ago




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