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axel1

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Hey,

villain is pretty much unknown, i have just 27 hands on him and he is playing 37/37 so far.

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Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.20(BB) Replayer
SB ($19.30)
BB ($36.17)
CO ($32.49)
Hero ($26.84)

Dealt to Hero QClub KHeart

CO raises to $0.70, Hero calls $0.70, fold, fold

FLOP ($1.70) 9Diamond KSpade 3Heart

CO checks, Hero bets $1, CO calls $1

TURN ($3.70) 9Diamond KSpade 3Heart 8Club

CO bets $2.40, Hero calls $2.40

RIVER ($8.50) 9Diamond KSpade 3Heart 8Club 2Heart

CO bets $5.80, Hero?
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Flop: It's a very dry board, i think most people would bet their air and value hands. I think when he check/calls he probably has something like a medium strenght hand like 9x, 77, 88, TT... But i don't know much about villain and he could just be a donk, who can have everything here....

Turn: Villain bets after check/calling the flop, which looks pretty strange and i have TPGK so i call (sounds like a dumb reason ^^). I don't think a raise is good, because nothing worse calls and nothing better folds. Would you fold if he bets bigger?

River: I don't know on what range i should put him on. I think It's pretty unlikely that this is a bluff, and i don't know if he bets worse hands for value.

It would be nice to get some help :-)

Posted 12 months ago

MI5 Mark

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Probably some dumb play with a set, I would just fold the river

Posted 12 months ago

Armisan

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I don`t think you can put him on accurate range with that info, he could be thinking player or he could be randomly just clicking buttons and doing whatever he is doing.
If you think it will be worth info in the future to see SD and make some notes on how he possibly plays certain parts of his LP position ranges on dry boards then it`s a call as you have a decent bluff catcher and need to win 30% of the time to break even. Give him 4 combos and you are breaking even (I excluded KK because I don`t think he goes for a check 100% with a set):

Board: Ks 9d 3h 8c 2h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 30.769% 30.77% 00.00% 4 0.00 { KhQd }
Hand 1: 69.231% 69.23% 00.00% 9 0.00 { JcJd, JcJh, JcJs, JdJs, 99-88, 33 }


If you think SD info won`t be much of a help in the future, make a note on his play and that in the future you will more likely will have to call turn and river bets in similar situations and fold.

Personally I would lean to folding because 20NL player pool is big (I`m just guessing here and have no idea if that is true where you play) and I would probably may not see this player again (unless he is a reg then notes would be beneficial in future), it`s most likely not a bluff and you are looking at 98, 88 or some slow play (20NL players still play pretty passively postflop and not turning hands into bluffs).

Posted 12 months ago

Usurer

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Hi!
IMO: raise pre because he is an unknown and this is a good chance to find out his reactions to 3 bets.
if we called pre I would raise bigger on the flop 1.5$. I would fold on the river bet against unknown because the size of the bet looks like more wants a call, and your TP hand is a little face up from the turn...

Posted 12 months ago

Gracious

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Can someone show me how to calculate how many combos we need to beat here please.

Posted 12 months ago

MI5 Mark

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axel1

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Personally I would lean to folding because 20NL player pool is big (I`m just guessing here and have no idea if that is true where you play) and I would probably may not see this player again (unless he is a reg then notes would be beneficial in future), it`s most likely not a bluff and you are looking at 98, 88 or some slow play (20NL players still play pretty passively postflop and not turning hands into bluffs).



Yeah i agree it's not worth the information at 20NL, it would be different at 100NL+ where it's very likely that i see him again. And the fact that he can have everything, because we don't know if he is a thinking player, makes it even more a fold, given that he could also have weird hands like 89, K8,...


Hi!
IMO: raise pre because he is an unknown and this is a good chance to find out his reactions to 3 bets.


Normaly i like this, because if we know how villain reacts to 3-bets, we know how to set up our 3-betting range. But KQ is too strong, i don't want to 3-bet it and fold to a 4-bet, and waste a hand that is +EV to call with. I'd rather have something like Axs, Kxs....

Can someone show me how to calculate how many combos we need to beat here please.

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I think he means how to do it ingame when deciding if we should call or not. I have seen it in a video too, i think it was either ansky or KRANTZ, he said something like "hmm if he just has 2 combos of bluffs, a call is +EV". Is there a short way to calculate this?

Thanks for your answers! I ended up folding, nice to see that i made the right play.

Posted 12 months ago

MI5 Mark

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No quick way, its literally counting them. Practice makes perfect, away from the tables, so you get quicker

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