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I'd appreciate advice on the best line to take on this hand.

Stats / Reads
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CO: I don't have his stats now but he was a passive fish
BB: 21 / 14 / 3 / 42 (over 113)

(VPIP / PFR / 3bet / Agg%)

BB had a c/r flop % of 25% but it included a tiny sample of 4 hands, so I don't read much into that.

I'm sure I had better reads and notes on the player but this hand happened last week and unfortunately I don't have my notes with me. So we'll have to discuss it in a vacuum.
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Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Hero (MP): $25.00
CO: $19.67
BTN: $25.39
SB: $35.55
BB: $51.00
UTG: $28.75

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP with T A
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.85, CO calls $0.85, 2 folds, BB calls $0.60

Flop: ($2.65) A 9 2 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.50, CO folds, BB raises to $5.75, Hero ... ???

What's the best line here? His range is pretty strong here.

Do we flat the flop and fold to a turn bet if we miss? Do we shove and take advantage of all the equity we have?

What range would you put him on do c/r us here with?

With such a monster draw and TP I like building the pot, I think I wont mind reraising here..

We get value on his Ax hands and even if he has a set we have good equity with this.

I personally dont like flatting on the flop plus you are out of position.

NH

With such a monster draw and TP I like building the pot, I think I wont mind reraising here..

We get value on his Ax hands and even if he has a set we have good equity with this.

I personally dont like flatting on the flop plus you are out of position.

NH

Thanks for the input.

Actually we're in position vs the raiser (The BB, the CO folded).

I think if we flat call the flop we are to face up. He is going to shut down to any Diamond. I think I want to get this in if I can, because our equity is pretty solid in this spot. If we flat call and the turn bricks we are in a heap of trouble if he doesn't give us a free card, which we may be able to achieve by 4-betting the flop.

I think if we flat call the flop we are to face up. He is going to shut down to any Diamond. I think I want to get this in if I can, because our equity is pretty solid in this spot. If we flat call and the turn bricks we are in a heap of trouble if he doesn't give us a free card, which we may be able to achieve by 4-betting the flop.

We shouldn't ever be getting a free card if we raise because if we are raising we should be shoving.

I'm more than happy getting it in on the flop here. We are only going to be really unhappy when we see 99 or 22 and even then we aren't that unhappy. The dead money and the times he has something weird like a worse flush draw will make up for the times he has a set.

I guess the only question is if calling has more value. I think calling mostly gives him a chance to get away from his hand if another diamond comes. If we call we'll have a little more than a pot sized bet left and I'm not sure we can really fold the turn if he bets with out a better read about what he c/r with and barrels.

I'm shoving the flop.

Thanks for the input.

Actually we're in position vs the raiser (The BB, the CO folded).

oops typo on my side. But you kinda knew what I meant

If you think his range is really strong then I would just flat given the good odds he has provided.

Shoving can't really be that bad since you have good equity vs the top of his range (sets and A9) and are crushing the middle/bottom of his range (draws and worse A'). I'm not really convinced his range is all the strong here given the small c/r and opponent type. He probably never folds a better hand but it might not matter.

I guess the only question is if calling has more value. I think calling mostly gives him a chance to get away from his hand if another diamond comes.

What hand might he get away from on a diamond turn, that we aren't behind to on the flop?

If he ever raise this flop as a draw then you need to 3bet and make him ship his draw.

If he has 2pair/sets when he raises we have 37% equity.

If you add like 5 combos of FD, that he is going to raise/jam with we are flipping. Add 6+ combos of FD we are a favourite.....

Otherwise the only other option is to call and calldown if you think he has enough air in his range to do that but your read doesnt suggest that.

Thanks for the input guys.

I hadn't been at the table with him long enough to know if he raises draws or not. He was TAGish so with his overcall PF and then a check/raise I felt he was super strong.

The only range I could really see him doing this with was:

99
22
KQ
KJ

I'm not even sure A9s or A2s are in his PF overcalling range PF. If he has AQ I'm not sure he'll c/r either. I might have him on WAY too tight of a c/r range though.

Like you guys said we have a monster draw so we can only get it in so bad here, so given that plus the dead money it's never bad to get it in here.

Insta ez mode shove. Drag and Raise!!!

Insta ez mode shove. Drag and Raise!!!

care to elaborate?

care to elaborate?

I believe he means you have top pair good kicker and nut flush draw. Most reasonable villains will re raise AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AK, and maybe AQ. You are losing to AQ,AJ, 99 and 22 only and have great equity even then.

Get it in and celebrate!!

i think his range is strongly weighted towards 22/99 here and i would rather call and see what happens on the turn since we have position. your edge is going to be greater if you use position to see if he checks/bets, how much, etc. this guy doesn't appear to be likely to c/r bluff this pot 3-ways when you have c-bet into a fish and him, so i really don't know why ppl are so happy to get it in here. there aren't even any combo draws; we have the deck crushed.

if he is ever actually bluffing, i again see no reason to blow those hands out of the pot with a reraise.

edit: also, does anyone really think a seemingly solid player over 113 hands is c/r a worse ace here? who c/r's A8 here besides fish???

if he is ever actually bluffing, i again see no reason to blow those hands out of the pot with a reraise.

So are you calling a turn shove?