nolcat
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doohicky
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I dunno i end up check calling theese and folding to a turn bet way to often. I guess someone so loose aggressive you could shove but i just dunno, I would be alot more willing to call if he shoved but it looks like he wants a call. I would say you have little option but to fold.
I would still check call the flop for pot controll and re,evaluate the turn. ie fold it 
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TheGeek
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doohicky
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just about any pocket pair i would say and ak i guess. I suppose it dosnt make sence for a queen to reraise here and hes so aggressive his range is pretty big. The board looks bad for us but its probably a very good flop for our 10s. Id be just as stumped here though.
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nolcat
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What range do you think he has when he raises this flop?
Also, what are your reasons for three betting preflop?
JJ, Qx, SCs, (KK,AA,99 sometimes)
i 3bet pre to take pot there or i felt i was ahead of his range
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nolcat
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i'd ship here and make a note if he actually played a Q this way
i did some estimates on pokerstove and it will vary between us having 40-60% equity (depending) if we put in the 1gapper+2gapper suited connectors, 66+, AKs, AKo. wow i guess its a call then...i folded as per usual as i just kinda figure i am mostly beat it this spot even if he is a 30/27. i guess calling and noting his play is in fact the best play in that we also gain info for later spots which we dont directly quantify in pokerstove run (obv)
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nolcat
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What is villain's fold to 3bet/4bet stats? This could help determine if AQ is in his range, but I doubt he plays AQ like this.
as far as i can read stats from HEM it says 0% for F3b and has a 2 in brackets beside like so> 0% (2)
does this mean he was 3bet 2 times in the 60 hands i have on him and he called both times? if so how does this affect you thinking on the hand? sorry about my inexperience with HEM and tnx for your comments.
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JacknCoke56
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as far as i can read stats from HEM it says 0% for F3b and has a 2 in brackets beside like so> 0% (2)
does this mean he was 3bet 2 times in the 60 hands i have on him and he called both times? if so how does this affect you thinking on the hand? sorry about my inexperience with HEM and tnx for your comments.
Yes he has called both times he has been 3-bet in 60 hands. But with such a small sample size you can not discourage yourself from 3-betting here if you think you are ahead. I would look at his steal % as well. I think if he's 30/27 he has to be raising some garbage from LP unless he is on a mega heater and catching sick hands pre.
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zenben
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Yes he has called both times he has been 3-bet in 60 hands. But with such a small sample size you can not discourage yourself from 3-betting here if you think you are ahead. I would look at his steal % as well. I think if he's 30/27 he has to be raising some garbage from LP unless he is on a mega heater and catching sick hands pre.
Agreed-Especially when he's not a BI up already, I doubt he's been getting a ton of hands, unless he's weak post flop or just got stacked. Steal% will be helpful, and Jackncoke is right about the low sample size (that's why HEM lists the instances in () because it's not a sig sample size)
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nolcat
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Agreed-Especially when he's not a BI up already, I doubt he's been getting a ton of hands, unless he's weak post flop or just got stacked. Steal% will be helpful, and Jackncoke is right about the low sample size (that's why HEM lists the instances in () because it's not a sig sample size)
so from this are we saying AQ is more likely to be in his range since he has from the small sample at least a low fold to 3bet?.... which of course means he's prob calling 3bets with AQ, KQ, JQ say and so now we should to be leaning more towards a fold. Or is it as case of now we know he calls 3bets lightish so we should lean towards puting alot of sc's in his range as well as Qx's, alot of pockets pairs and probably some air aswell which will mean we now have a definite call???
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NoWayFolding
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If you are sizing your bets that big preflop/OTF you really have to stack off on this flop.
Personally against an unknown I 3bet smaller and bet flop smaller.
With your bet sizing you dont induce many 4bets preflop, or calls preflop.
Same thing goes for postflop and unless he is super fishy you are not getting a ton of action here.
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nolcat
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If you are sizing your bets that big preflop/OTF you really have to stack off on this flop.
Personally against an unknown I 3bet smaller and bet flop smaller.
With your bet sizing you dont induce many 4bets preflop, or calls preflop.
Same thing goes for postflop and unless he is super fishy you are not getting a ton of action here.
why do u 3bet smaller? wht do u bet smaller on flop? do u not think u are ahead v a 30/27 vpip here and so raise big for value and make him pay dear. if he folds well we take pot down fine?? i dont get this. i mean i hada guy disagree strongly with me before for 3beting 3x OOP with big pairs because he maintained it a better way to play to compensate for disadavntge of being OOP?
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