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NL50 QQ on drawy flop


msgambling

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Villian is 43/9/1.9 passive fish. Since he 3-bet-calls 83% i thought 3-betting here is for value, especially OOP. On the button he open raises/steels with 14%. The flop comes very drawy... and I have no reads about aggressive draw play from him yet.

NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
Hero ($53.62)
BB ($50)
UTG ($49.25)
UTG+1 ($92.47)
CO ($96.12)
BTN ($38.09)

Dealt to Hero QSpade QDiamond

fold, fold, CO calls $0.50, BTN raises to $2, Hero raises to $6.50, fold, fold, BTN calls $4.50

FLOP ($14) JClub 7Heart 9Club

Hero bets $9, BTN raises to $31.59 (AI), Hero ?

Posted almost 2 years ago

mstthngsbrk

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Yojimgari

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I'd also post sample size, call open, and 3bet stats for your next hand, although it's not applicable in this hand. Aggression frequency is better than aggression factor.

$6.50-$7 is good preflop. If your sample is big then make it $7, and keep increasing the size if he keeps calling and then folding the flop/turn and paying off, and you should also 3bet him for thin value(99) as well and no bluffs(76s/A5s/KTo). If you get 4bet then I'd fold, although I haven't done the math on this yet, but villain is too LAP to probably 4bet JJ/QQ/AK.

You can't check-raise all-in here because he'll check behind with too much stuff and may go all-in with a 9 or TT and you can get value/protection from a lot of hands. The SPR is 2.3. Bet $11, he'll call more with stuff. Snap call the shove. Good luck, Yojimgari

Posted almost 2 years ago

Poker_Road

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Fish yes..but I dont think he is that passive.
Its not like he is a total 43/3/0 passive fish ..because If he was we could fold here.

Given the stats and assuming the sample is large enough to be accurate ,I think calling here is fine.
But just the fact that he is opening 9% and has a 3bet % makes this a prety standard call as we know from that info alone he can shove here with fds, str draws and pair & str draws .
if he was totaly passive he would never be semi bluffing and so we could fold and he would have way more value hands that beat us.wayyy more.(this defines playing exploitable poker at the micros,where maths tell us call ,but we know bettor,folding here vrs total passive 43/2/0 fish will boost your win rate at 25nl imo)

Also I dont think this is a 100% cbet on this board.
In a single raised pot this would be generally a bad board to cbet & given his loose calling 3bet tendencie this board could hit him prety hard.

But I suppose the best ev line here imo is to 3bet , bet 9 otf and call the shove ... so nice hand if you called.

Posted almost 2 years ago

QuetzalCoatl

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you state very confidently his stats - what sample size do you have in general, and for call3b etc specifically?

If he is calling a wide range of a smaller range of btn opens, the afaics this boils down exactly to what he does with TP. If he never jams TP here, then his equity with 1P+FD, OESFD, FD+Overs etc is pretty good and his sets/2p/straights beat you enough that my equity runs suggest you should fold to the raise. Gasp

However, he only has to jam with a very small proportion of his TP hands before you're coining it. So practically speaking, the flop is a call, but it's not a spot you're over the moon about, without reads.

If we knew he was aggro, could we aim to CRAI the flop?

Posted almost 2 years ago

msgambling

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Wow, my first post here on the forum and i'm very impressed about your fast and very interesting answers. I'll keep posting Wink

Sample size was 800 hands.

That's a good idea with increasing the 3-bet-size on such players, each time they call. I already do it for limp/callers by adding a BB each time when i'm last to act, until they don't call loosely any more with K3o Wink

I think check/raise is a no-no-no sure. He is too passive (AggFreq is 30%) and the board's to drawy.

When I stove 12% open raise range from the button, i get a range of "77+,A9s+,AT+,KTs+,KJ+,QTs+,JTs". I think we don't have to care about 2pairs like J9,J7,97 and the str8 with T8. I forgot to mention he is 4-betting 0%! So we can be pretty sure to have a overpair, set, FD, oesd, combo, FD+overs here. Our equity is in fact not that great against that.

But with $54 in the pot, and $23 to pay, i agree with you all... and called.

So here is the rest of the hand for your pleasure:

Hero bets $9, BTN raises to $31.59 (AI), Hero calls $22.59

TURN ($77.18) JClub 7Heart 9Club AClub

RIVER ($77.18) JClub 7Heart 9Club AClub 2Club

BTN shows TClub QClub
(Pre 16%, Flop 55.2%, Turn 100.0%)

Hero shows QSpade QDiamond
(Pre 84%, Flop 44.8%, Turn 0.0%)

BTN wins $74.18

Thanks for giving me feedback! Makes me sure i'm not totally wrong with my poker.

Posted almost 2 years ago




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