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50NL 6M: V low flopped flush facing RR multi way pot.


slipp3ry333

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CO 31/26/4.5 over 313 and seems to be playing tricky.

$50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 585569
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MP: $130.27
CO: $182.73
Hero (BTN): $59.35
SB: $24.75
BB: $47.50
UTG: $49.20

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with 6 Spade 4 Spade
UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, CO raises to $2.25, Hero calls $2.25, 1 fold, BB calls $1.75, UTG calls $1.75

Flop: ($9.25) T Spade A Spade 5 Spade (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets $9.25, BB folds, UTG folds, CO raises to $24

Posted almost 2 years ago

Yojimgari

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I'd fold preflop, your hand is weak. 3betting light is an option though. I don't know information on the 3 other players though.

You should bet smaller on the flop. A pot sized bet on a monotone co-ordinated four way flop will scare away too many Aces and flush draws and maybe A5.

CO check-raises as the preflop aggressor on a four way co-ordinated monotone flop after you bet the pot. He generally has a flush so you should fold. I don't see him playing a medium/weak flush or set or two pair or Ace or King high flush draw this way. Fold. Good luck, Yojimgari

Posted almost 2 years ago

HGE_88

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What was the result? I would have a hard time folding that hand though. If CO really had a flush, why not bet it? Worse cards could come that will kill the action.

Posted almost 2 years ago

Yojimgari

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I would recommend not posting the result here, it will influence any future replies you may get. If you want to send it via pm to HGE_88 that's fine. Yes most people can't fold a flush here.

CO didn't bet the flush because he thought it was likely enough that OP would bet, and then call/3bet a check-raise or fold but he can get action from the other two players. He check-raised as the preflop aggressor on a four way co-ordinated monotone flop after OP bet the pot. Looks like a King or maybe Queen high flush or maybe a weaker flush. It's possible he is trying to get all-in here with a set/two pair/AK/AQ since he doesn't want to get bluffed out on the turn or drawn out on easily, but that's unlikely, and you have to put in a lot of money to find out. Good luck, Yojimgari

Posted almost 2 years ago

sforzisi

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Get it in. If villain has a higher flush, it's a cooler. Pretty much a dream flop for suited gappers.

Posted almost 2 years ago

tubasteve

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Get it in. If villain has a higher flush, it's a cooler. Pretty much a dream flop for suited gappers.



how often are you gonna get it in here vs a worse hand though? is it really a cooler if the situation could be avoided by either folding or 3-betting preflop?

against fish esp you have to be tighter with low suited cards b/c they will play all kinds of junk like Q5s and then your 46s, while pretty, is pretty much junk.sasfda

Posted almost 2 years ago

sforzisi

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how often are you gonna get it in here vs a worse hand though? is it really a cooler if the situation could be avoided by either folding or 3-betting preflop?

against fish esp you have to be tighter with low suited cards b/c they will play all kinds of junk like Q5s and then your 46s, while pretty, is pretty much junk.sasfda


asdf would pretty much be my reaction if I get shown Q5s. I agree that pre-flop is debatable. Just to clarify, what is your flop recommendation as played? Are we really folding a flush on the flop?

Posted almost 2 years ago

slipp3ry333

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I would have thought the value from the hand is implied so we want high SPR, especially since we have position?

If we 3b and get called what is our plan post flop?

Posted almost 2 years ago

slipp3ry333

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I looked up villain in my DB, must have missed the hand but villain has previously got it all in with two pair on a monotone flop.

Given his stats I would think it fairly standard for him to play two pair, sets, the K or Q draw this way?

Posted almost 2 years ago

slipp3ry333

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So I gave villain following range which I think is fairly generous to us:

TT,55,ATs,A5s,KdQd,KdJd,QdJd,ATo,A5o,KcQd,KdQc,
KdQh,KdQs,KhQd,KsQd,KcJd,KdJc,KdJh,KdJs,KhJd,KsJd,QcJd,QdJc,QdJh,QdJs,
QhJd,QsJd.

When I ran it through stove we are still only 24% which I found surprising.

Posted almost 2 years ago

tubasteve

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I would have thought the value from the hand is implied so we want high SPR, especially since we have position?



how much implied odds do you really have if you're not happy getting it in here? you might get paid off sometimes when you hit a flush but you'll also run into some hands, plus your flush can easily be counterfeited. this is a hand i'd much rather play with the initiative.


If we 3b and get called what is our plan post flop?



this is a bit complicated, but i mean its just a 3-bet bluff; play it the same way you would play any junk that you 3-bet pre. most of the time a villain like this will fold or 4-bet anyway, which is precisely why this is a good hand to 3-bet (not good enough to call, think we have a lot of FE, backup plan if called).

unconventional wisdom would be a good series to get started on playing 3-bet pots with marginal holdings.

Posted almost 2 years ago

slipp3ry333

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how much implied odds do you really have if you're not happy getting it in here?



But this surely isn't the kind of flop we are looking from an implied perspective because it is super polarised when we face action.


unconventional wisdom would be a good series to get started on playing 3-bet pots with marginal holdings.



It would be except every time I go near that series I donk off 3 buyins the next session Wink

Posted almost 2 years ago

tubasteve

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But this surely isn't the kind of flop we are looking from an implied perspective because it is super polarised when we face action.



then what kind of flop are you looking for???

Posted almost 2 years ago

TheGeek

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This would be such a strange way to play a made flush. I think its possible that villain could show up here with sets or AT or maybe even AxKSpade but that may be optimistic. I think that fact that you pot it probably makes it more likely that villain has a flush because that doesn't look like a bet size you would see someone bluff with. Also its a pretty small raise size from him and I would expect him to just check shove a set if he's going for a check raise line.

I think this is a fold to be honest. If we get it in vs a non flush he's likely going to have about 30% equity or thereabouts and if we get it in behind we're obviously dead. I think a lot of information can be gotten from the bet sizing here and I think it makes me lean towards a fold. In the heat of the moment at the table I probably don't think about it enough and shove because I'm confused by his line because I'm a donkey.

Posted almost 2 years ago

slipp3ry333

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then what kind of flop are you looking for???



He's got a very wide range so I'm looking for something we can look to take away on the flop or that we can gain equity on the turn for a float.

I'm not saying I flat this every time maybe not even 1/6 but I don't think I would 3b as I would prefer to have more equity against a tricky opp especially if we are reducing SPR.

What difference in card strength would turn it from a 3b into a FC?

Posted almost 2 years ago




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