$50NL Weird squeeze hand with TT

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Matixboy
Pair of Deuces
146 posts
Joined 07/08

Only reason I called here is because Original raiser has a tight preflop raising range and he was utg.

Guy who is 3-bet squeezing is a regular TAG. I have 10k hands on him and he is 19/15/3 and he def knows how to squeeze.

Is his range tighter than I think here? If I think his range is really wide and he is squeezing, Should I just flat or 4-bet here? I think after already flatting the original raise I can't 4-bet here because it just looks like I have a weak hand.

Any thoughts on this hand?


Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

UTG: $50.00
MP: $42.65
Hero (CO): $53.60
BTN: $59.65
SB: $84.85
BB: $93.70

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with T T
UTG raises to $1.75, MP calls $1.75, Hero calls $1.75, BTN raises to $8, 4 folds, Hero requests TIME, 1 fold

Final Pot: $7.75
BTN wins $7.75

Posted Sep 5, 2008 2:48am

Manchild
Deuces Full
949 posts
Joined 01/08

if he is squeezing a good amount then this is a spot where you can 4bet. he may not believe your hand is as good as TT and you could actually get it in ahead imo

Posted Sep 5, 2008 2:50am

Matixboy
Pair of Deuces
146 posts
Joined 07/08

if he is squeezing a good amount then this is a spot where you can 4bet. he may not believe your hand is as good as TT and you could actually get it in ahead imo



Anybody else agree with that?

Posted Sep 5, 2008 6:27pm

tubasteve
Quad Deuces
2063 posts
Joined 11/07

Anybody else agree with that?



seems pretty reasonable.

Posted Sep 5, 2008 8:02pm

Justice88
Pair of Deuces
153 posts
Joined 03/08

So if you're 4-betting effectively as a bluff here, then how often do you need him to fold given his possible range? If you make it say 28, that brings that pot to 42, of which he only has 8 invested. If you think he IS squeezing here a lot, even if he does believe you may be a little full of it, if he folds more than ~20% of the time here you're making money. So if you think you have more than 20% equity here including fold equity I think this would def be profitable in this spot against this player. If he shoves over you then there is now $94 in the pot with 23.85 behind meaning when you call you need slightly more than 25% equity to be profitable. Then it comes down to a question of is he only doing this with overs, and how much AK is part of his range with this line.

Also, if you think he is betting a wider range there, then you also won't need to make your 4-bet so large and you can slide this value up or down given how much total equity you think you may have, which is very dynamic and read dependent.

Just a basic stove as a baseline to give you starting point in judging your equity.
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

349,310,016 games 0.005 secs 69,862,003,200 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 63.587% 63.39% 00.20% 221421192 693396.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 36.413% 36.21% 00.20% 126502032 693396.00 { TT }

Posted Sep 6, 2008 9:59pm

Manchild
Deuces Full
949 posts
Joined 01/08

So if you think you have more than 20% equity here including fold equity I think this would def be profitable in this spot against this player.



you have 20% equity even when you get it all in vs an overpair

Posted Sep 7, 2008 12:44am

Justice88
Pair of Deuces
153 posts
Joined 03/08

ha, i know. just making a point.

Posted Sep 7, 2008 6:40am

Hielko
Quad Deuces
1162 posts
Joined 07/08

seems pretty reasonable.


I don't think this is a good spot. The preflop raiser is tight (no idea what Matrixboy views as tight though....) and raising from utg, so this should not be a spot where villain is going to squeeze a lot. Villain is also a 19/15 player, and that's on the tight/passive side preflop: so I actually think this is an easy fold preflop.

And a second note: looking at the 3bet percentage of the squeezer here is certainly helpfull, and when you have 10K hands on someone you can even check how often he 3bets from the blinds.

And a last note: I don't think that there are a lot of spots where it could be correct to call a raise preflop and then 4bet vs a aqueeze with TT. If the original raiser is raising so often (from a certainl position) that people are going to squeeze when you overcall, you probably have a very easy 3bet preflop. The two main reasons for calling/4betting TT preflop are imo:

1. The original raiser has a wide range, but it's almost certain someone is going to squeeze when you overcall (so it's a slowplay with TT preflop)
2. The original raiser is tight, but has folded vs a squeeze from a maniac and TT is obviously ahead of the maniac range.

Posted Sep 7, 2008 8:34pm