at the 40min the QJo hand from the SB where JT really believes you shoul c/r the river instead of donking.

I have to say that logically I just can\'t wrap my head around this argument. In the games I play in when Ahigh checks behind on the turn they aren\'t going to be the river. They are checking behind to try and SD for 1BB, and if I don\'t donk the river they almost never bet. I can see an argument for checking the river because villain\'s hand is often total air and we want to induce a bluff (and then we can obv c/r for value hoping to get paid of by a rivered T or something), but if we put lot of weight into villain having A high, Khigh, or a small pkt pair (which makes a lot of sense based on the pf 3-bet) then I really feel like we should be the river for value instead of going for a c/r that may whiff.

obviously joe feels very strongly the other way since he spends a decent time arguing for making the play. I am hoping the when joe gets back from his hiatus he can talk about this more.

obviously if Entity, DD, Oink, or any of the other mid-high 6max online guys want to chime in that would be terrific, because I wonder what you guys think of JT\'s suggested line.

Mr Tall..
If you have been coaching nWooch very long.
You are a damn good teacher, cause he plays VERY WELL.

1) 77 on 833 board.
we are not folding. why give villain a reason to fold by 3 betting the flop?
The idea of when to raise(3bet) and when to \"catch\"..call down.
is some how escaping me. Are there any clearer guidelines to use in situation like this?

2) A3 on K84 board.
c/r flop vs SD bound LAGG opp. who has steal raised from btn.
you also mention NOT peeling here.
is our plan (as played) to c/r/f the flop?
at higher levels of play....doesnt villain know we may try this....and 3 bet/f in response?
My point is....as we are ahead here a bunch of the time, isnt a beter play to peel. rather than get \"tricky\" and end up folding (or are we saving bets?)

3) In the games I play, I am constantly trying to get players to fold.
Should I spend more time thinking, THEY WILL GO TO SD?

4) I agree with mightyjim...on the...QJ 638JT board.
a c/r here will not work here often. I think a bet is clearly better on the river. I think the Josh post you refer to must have something different in the hand.

this hand did give me a thought/question.
5) if we are villain in this hand(in position)....is there...here or in any other hand.....a place to play possum(slowplay) on the turn by checking, to induce hero to either bet river....or c/r/3bet the river???

6) betting with a straight on the board.
TT made a post some time back here on DC...that dealt with this idea.
He did not get much response. But I did spend a lot of time on it, using poker stove.
Your general theme is correct.
In a small pot...tend to fold. In a large pot, tend to call. But I was surprised to see how big the pot must be. Cause we are calling for a chop!
also.....goes for betting (if you dont have it ofcourse..lol)
this is only from a equity point of view....player types play a big role also.

MickeyWins wrote:

cause he plays VERY WELL.

He plays wicked fcking good, seriously.


MickeyWins wrote:

1) 77 on 833 board.
we are not folding. why give villain a reason to fold by 3 betting the flop?
The idea of when to raise(3bet) and when to \"catch\"..call down.
is some how escaping me. Are there any clearer guidelines to use in situation like this?

Not really, this entire coaching session, mostly post-flop decisions is going to be heavily read based.

2) A3 on K84 board.
c/r flop vs SD bound LAGG opp. who has steal raised from btn.
you also mention NOT peeling here.
is our plan (as played) to c/r/f the flop?
at higher levels of play....doesnt villain know we may try this....and 3 bet/f in response?
My point is....as we are ahead here a bunch of the time, isnt a beter play to peel. rather than get \"tricky\" and end up folding (or are we saving bets?)

Or plan was to bluff check-raise and win right there! As soon as he calls/plays back we are dead, done with the hand. We have no draw, and it\'s bascially a bluff, so there is no \'peeling\'.

3) In the games I play, I am constantly trying to get players to fold.
Should I spend more time thinking, THEY WILL GO TO SD?

Yes! This may be a great approach for you to look at it from the other direction considering their hand range and why they are taking the actions they are.

4) I agree with mightyjim...on the...QJ 638JT board.
a c/r here will not work here often. I think a bet is clearly better on the river. I think the Josh post you refer to must have something different in the hand.

In a high stake game he\'ll fold to the river bet very often and there will be times he blindly bets. This play has no place in the games you play right now, I feel.

5) if we are villain in this hand(in position)....is there...here or in any other hand.....a place to play possum(slowplay) on the turn by checking, to induce hero to either bet river....or c/r/3bet the river???

No, just bet your hands. This is FPS.

6) betting with a straight on the board.
TT made a post some time back here on DC...that dealt with this idea.
He did not get much response. But I did spend a lot of time on it, using poker stove.
Your general theme is correct.
In a small pot...tend to fold. In a large pot, tend to call. But I was surprised to see how big the pot must be. Cause we are calling for a chop!
also.....goes for betting (if you dont have it ofcourse..lol)
this is only from a equity point of view....player types play a big role also.

Yes, TTs post was spot on. I must have missed it.

I play regularly in nWooch tables, and I also think it\'s a very good player. I like the video too! I have some comments.

In hand 1, 77 in board 833, in my experience a checkraise is an 8 a large portion of the time. Joe Tall, your line of 3betting the flop is for taking a freeshowdown at the river I suppose, regardless of what cards come? So you can lose 1SB less when behind, and charge 6outers at the same time? But... it\'s better to let him bluff his chips, or to charge 6 outers? But if your plan is to 3bet to charge 6outers, it\'s probably better to raise the turn...

In hand 3, A3o in the BB versus a button openraising LAG. K84 board, do you both think is standard to checkraise the flop? checkraising a tight player is good because he can instafold, but a LAG can rebluff us more often, and he is going to peel the flop with crap many times, no?

The J6o preflop BB raising, against someone who opencomplete, is a play I like to do, too. For simplicity, suppose that the player openraises any pair, any ace, any king, any two cards 9 or higher, and opencompletes all the other hands. If we raise, we have position, iniciative, 57.5% of equity, and we put pressure on the opponent to hit something. Not a bad spot to put money in the pot.