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The Danish machine part 2! Oink and the rest of us at DeucesCracked welcome any questions or comments from his latest video...HERE! :)
-DeathDonkey
awesome, can\'t wait to watch my hero in action again 0_0
I am glad you find it usefull
Remember to post any questions you might have and I shall try and help out in any way I can
Oink....
I love your style. I enjoy the arguements you have with yourself, very instructive.
defining the LATAG...
1) is there anyway I can raise here?
2) can I find any reason to call/raise here instead of folding?
3) what hands will he fold if I bet/raise?
4) is there any PLAY in my cookbook that will/might work vs THIS opponent?
5) last resort......fold....damn i hate folding.
anything to add here????
I would like your thoughts on this play.....
a c/r with air oop vs pfr.(ussually from the BB)
1) vs a UGR....
flop is A) all under a ten
B) J, or T with 2cds under a 6
2) vs BTN/LP raiser...
flop is..no A or K, at least 1 card below a 6
I also have a question on learning to read hands/boards.
how did/do you learn/practice both?
in your video\'s you do a lot of stopping to consider what in opp/opp\'s range you can beat, and what you are in trouble vs.
I am having a hard time formulating my question here...it sounds elementary.(but is important to my developement)
But I am having a difficult time of getting my brain to find a pattern to use for reading flops/hands/ranges.
any ideas would be appreciated...
Oink, please continue to do more videos....I get a lot out of them. TY!
I like that definition of LAGTAG :)
About the plays
1)
A. If and only if he can fold A high on the turn this is good. If he is either going to peel flop + turn with say AQ or call down you are running a very expensive bluff for a smallish pot.
So what I am saying is that you need a good/tight image and villain cant be too SD bound
B. This is a worse board because its more likely it hit his range. Also, it is more likely that he will pick up a gut or OESD on the turn making him peel once more. Say he has KQ on T54 flop. Any A, K, Q, J and 9 will make him peel/raise turn. On a 873 flop he cant pick up straight draws.
2) This is quite a lot of flops you are describing. What you need to ask yourself is whether you can rep a hand and whether there is a lot of hands in villain range that have to fold. A very good flop to take a shot at against a wide stealing range would be QJ2 rainbow. Hard for villain to continue with a bunch of A and K high. Some might fold low pp\'s. 86s, 75s, 87o are all folding either now or on the flop.
Now change the flop to 332. Here he is peeling his entire range.
Change it to T74. Now he is not only peeling most of his range but a bunch of cards will make him peel one more as a lot of his hands will pick up straight draws.
I also have a question on learning to read hands/boards.
how did/do you learn/practice both?
Practice and experience me thinks. But also watching good coaching vids and posting/reading at 2p2. 2p2 in particular has been important for me. Which I guess is why I try and post so much there.
Oink, please continue to do more videos....I get a lot out of them. TY!
Well, thats for the guys at DC to decide. I will certainly provide all the vids they can sell. :woohoo:
You are not the only who get a lot out of the vids. I can honestly say that making these vids have made me find a bunch of leaks in my game because you focus a lot more.
I gotta tell ya tho that I am very happy people find it usefull.
I love your videos because the running dialogue that you have with yourself is so similar to how I talk to myself when I\'m playing.
\"I mean that\'s just atrocious. Do people even have a brain? Awful awful poker on his part.\"
\"if he c/r\'s me now I\'m going to have to throw out a what-the-fuck-call\"
LOL so classic.
but seriously I think there were a couple hands I wanted to comment on so I\'ll find them and post them later.
I keep telling Oink not to be such a tilt monkey in the videos :)
But seriously while I like videos to maintain their professionalism, there is plenty of value in seeing that a smart, thinking, winning player like Oink goes through those same frustrated thoughts on his way to hand analysis.
One day when he finally runs bad I\'ll have enough audio / video footage to release a low content Danish tilt monkey special video! :)
-DeathDonkey
I have a question/comment regarding the hand where you have A6 and are heads-up in position against someone the 3-barreled you a few hands ago.
You have A6o and make a continuation bet on a K82 rainbow board, villain calls. This board is as dry as it gets so unless he is peeling the flop with air, he most likely has a pair. I think you have no reason to assume he\'s going to peel the flop with air since you haven\'t observed him doing that before.
Now, where I disagree with the way you played the hand is on the turn. How much equity do you think you have here? I think you need a lot of air hands to put in his range to give you a reasonable amount of equity. I think you should have checked here (I think I remember mentioning you saying that btw).
I would then fold the river, unless I spike an ace (or maybe a 6). You are most likely behind if you don\'t improve. I think you should then forfeit any small overlay you have in the pot in order to induce future bluffs. You need to balance your value-checks by folding the river some % of the time anyway. I think this is a good spot to throw him a bone.
Of course, make the board more coordinated and you should probably call.
I completely agree with you regarding the turn
As I watched through the vid the other day I noticed that hand. I started a post here explaining why I think the turn is a check. (You gave a good explanation). But then I realized I regretted the play in the video as well.
IMO its a very easy turn check given the info I have on villain at that point in the vid.
I disagree with you on river tho
With the info I think its a clear call. A more or less unknown is certainly capable of peeling with JT or A4 on that flop. I agree with your point of balancing with folding the river, I just think that should be done with non SD\'able hands and not Ax.
Oink wrote:
I disagree with you on river tho
With the info I think its a clear call. A more or less unknown is certainly capable of peeling with JT or A4 on that flop. I agree with your point of balancing with folding the river, I just think that should be done with non SD\'able hands and not Ax.
Hmmmm, I think you may be right. You are automatically balancing your value checks with non SD\'able hands where you simply give up after being called on the flop.
I still wouldn\'t hate a fold on the river here though, given the brief history between you and villain. Giving up this small pot where you hardly have any overlay will go a long way to inducing him to play in an exploitable way (bluffing too often). But like you say, calling the river should be your standard line with this hand.
Just wanted to say first great videos, I really enjoy the educational content of ur vids and I have subscriptions in both CR and stox.
min 10 in video KdQd: called on a board 5sTd5d 5c hoping to hit ur
flush, stating that opp has a pair, well i think u r drawing dead......
The hand is as follows
hero opens KQdd in SB. 24/18 TAG defends.
Flop 5d5xTd
Tag raises, hero calls
turn 5d5xTd5y
I disagree about drawing dead. The TAG doesnt have TT as he would 3-ball that PF and while its possible he has 5x he will likely not pop the flop with that and from a combo pow there isnt that many ways he can have 5x.
My flush outs are obviously worthless whenever he has Tx or a pp. They are certainly tainted but actually they will be god once in a while vs Ax and cheese.
More importnatly. The 6 pair outs are almost always good and whenever villain has a low pp like 22-66 and/or Ax hero has an additional 3 T outs for a chop. Getting 5:1 on the turn its a pretty easy call as Hero on average has something like 7-8 outs
EDIT: BUT I CERTAINLY DIDNT DO A VERY GOOD JOB EXPLAINING THE PEEL IN THE VIDEO!!
thx for the quick explanation....
nice video! some things
20:40 you have 98s in the BB and call the button TAG openraise. Board JTA and you checkraise+cap and lead the turn! I don\'t think him 3betting flop with J9 or T8 in that scary board is standard at all, at least in my games. In a AJT board he has a very good hand more often than not, and he is not folding.
43:16 very fun the river call with K-high and villain wins with KJ unimproved lol
48:50 you forgot the preflop action! PokerOffice has an option which puts very small letters under the pleyers name to remember past actions in the current hand (example C-CR-BC-CC). For me it\'s essential when multitabling. PokerTracker doesn\'t have something like that?
56:16 the first hand you discuss, the JJ hand where you fold the river in a board 6h5h9h8sTd, the pot is big, don\'t you think the opponent can\'t have Ah9s or AhTs or something like that some percentage of the time?
-liked very much the concept of raising much more loose when SB is tight and BB is a fish.
-I don\'t think I like opencompleting in the SB versus a good BB. If im the BB I am raising many many hands when people opencomplete against me, and i\'m sure that many lagtags do that too, so there is not much benefit in opencompleting.
thanks!
-I don\'t think I like opencompleting in the SB versus a good BB. If im the BB I am raising many many hands when people opencomplete against me, and i\'m sure that many lagtags do that too, so there is not much benefit in opencompleting.
You\'ll probably rethink this a little bit once you start encountering good BB\'s who 3-bet ~30% of their hands in blind battles. It comes down to occasionally wanting to play a small pot with your full range of playable hands and mixing up your play a bit in a spot where you\'re OOP vs good opposition.
Rob
