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I was thinking whats the best way to get value in this hand vs this player,

He is 27/19 AF 4 steal 42 over 113 hands, i know its a tiny sample but his his wtsd is 31% and he is on 2-3 tables although not a reg

Im thinking he has a huge range but might fold if i show agression back,

would you guys 3bet pre? x -raise flop? x raise turn or as below and donk any non heart river and x-call any heart

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with T K
2 folds, BTN raises, 1 fold, Hero calls

Flop: (4.5 SB) T 8 A (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets, Hero calls

Turn: (3.25 BB) K (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets, Hero calls

River: (5.25 BB) 6 (2 players)

Agree with Tao that there is value in a flop check/raise, though I think a flop check/call is okay too (good to have some strong hands in your flop check/call range, especially against aggressive barrelers).

On this turn, you absolutely must check/raise for value. Ax isn't folding. Kx probably isn't folding. Any hand with a heart isn't folding.

Im thinking he has a huge range but might fold if i show agression back,

I don't think you should think this without a very specific read to back it up. Most players in online games show down very light, and show down extremely light against unknowns (and you are unknown to him it seems). Although I certainly don't expect it, I wouldn't be shocked either if he calls down a turn check/raise with something like 7 7. I definitely have seen similarly lol calldowns before in online games.

I don't mind a flop x/c here at all but I really can't think of any justification for NOT x/r-ing the turn. In addition to the hands sweetjazz listed I'd say a lot of guts aren't folding.

Can you list some specific hands you think he's folding?

I still think he will fold some stuff like small pp 22-77, hands like 67,78,89,9T, then random Jx Qx, although i have to say that i do agree with you that not x-raising the turn is v bad.

However i dont like a flop x raise at all, its pointless against such a standard agressive opponent that is going to 2nd barrell his entire range for you on the turn, his Af is 4 his wtsd is a little low and hes on a couple of tables not a reg, so standard thinking for him will be ...oh button ok steal, bet, bet. Also i think this type of guy will fold instantly to a flop x raise a majority of his range, he will call with gutshots, a ten, maybe an 8, 3bet an ace and fold the rest

I still think he will fold some stuff like small pp 22-77, hands like 67,78,89,9T, then random Jx Qx, although i have to say that i do agree with you that not x-raising the turn is v bad.

Yeah, here's the reason I asked - even if you are correct about this it's hard for him to fold even 5% of all dealt hands. Try it out in Stove and see for yourself. Make sure you take into account that he's NOT folding + pair, pair + gut, gut + , etc.

THen look at JUST the Ax combos we beat since it's probably fair to say he calls them all - that's way more hands we can raise against for value and we didn't even account for the Kx, QQ, JJ, maybe some Tx, and the combo draws.